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07:23 AM ET 08.16 | Before they actually play on the football field, BYU and Texas are colliding off it. [The] two schools are embroiled in a controversy involving the academic eligibility of a Longhorn player. A BYU Independent Study policy is preventing Texas offensive tackle Desmond Harrison from being able to practice with the team. The Cougars and Longhorns meet at LaVell Edwards Stadium on Sept. 7. BYU's policy, established in 2006, prohibits student-athletes from schools other than BYU from taking Independent Study classes. Harrison, a 6-foot-7, 305-pound junior college transfer, took a BYU Independent Study online class to become academically eligible. Texas is counting on Harrison to contribute this season, but he remains ineligible while this academic issue is being reviewed.

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August 16, 2013  07:55 AM ET

Maybe I'm just stoopid, but If UTx says he's eligible, his arse oughtta be eligible. And if it turns out by NCAA standards that he wasn't eligible, they oughtta face the penalties. Scroo BYU.

August 16, 2013  08:15 AM ET

Well GR, if BYU won't release an official transcript of the student-athlete to UTx, then how can UTx declare him eligible? Should they take the student's word that he completed and passed with an A, or whatever he needed to maintain eligibility? I think UTx should find out what academic advisor got the kid to enroll in an on-line class at BYU without knowing BYU's rule that was in place for 7 years.

August 16, 2013  08:20 AM ET

If the NCAA determines it is a legit class, I think the biggest question is "Did he pass the course?" If that course was needed for eligibility and he passed, he's eligible. If it was needed and he didn't pass, he is ineligible.

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August 16, 2013  08:44 AM ET
QUOTE(#2):

Well GR, if BYU won't release an official transcript of the student-athlete to UTx, then how can UTx declare him eligible? Should they take the student's word that he completed and passed with an A, or whatever he needed to maintain eligibility? I think UTx should find out what academic advisor got the kid to enroll in an on-line class at BYU without knowing BYU's rule that was in place for 7 years.

So the kid took a BYU course, for credit towards his academic standing at UTx, but BYU can't/doesn't/won't say if he passed or not? But you are saying it's because BYU doesn't "allow" that course to count towards anyone's academic record outside of BYU?

August 16, 2013  08:53 AM ET
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So the kid took a BYU course, for credit towards his academic standing at UTx, but BYU can't/doesn't/won't say if he passed or not? But you are saying it's because BYU doesn't "allow" that course to count towards anyone's academic record outside of BYU?

I always thought it was the other way around. I thought the receiving school determined which courses/schools they would accept transfer credits from. I know after my oldest oldest daughter's first year in college, she wanted to take four courses when she was back home for the summer. She asked me to send the courses offerings at UTEP and EPCC for the summer. Her advisor marked the ones very clearly that they would accept as transfer credits and which ones they would not. The receiving college determined it.

August 16, 2013  08:55 AM ET

College football does not base eligibility to play sports based on BYU's rules. The class either counts or doesn't count, for all students, and its the NCAA who determines the scholars eligibility, not BYU.

August 16, 2013  08:56 AM ET
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I always thought it was the other way around. I thought the receiving school determined which courses/schools they would accept transfer credits from. I know after my oldest oldest daughter's first year in college, she wanted to take four courses when she was back home for the summer. She asked me to send the courses offerings at UTEP and EPCC for the summer. Her advisor marked the ones very clearly that they would accept as transfer credits and which ones they would not. The receiving college determined it.

That's what I thought also. Ergo, the "scroo BYU" sentiment, but there is apparently something I'm missing here.

August 16, 2013  08:58 AM ET

1 - Saying that you have self-study courses for your own student athletes, but not for those from another school strikes me as tantamount to saying they are creampuff courses you created just to make your jocks eligible.

2 - Isn't someone on staff in Austin supposed to check this stuff out in advance for our kids? Fire his/her [***behind***] (and, as long as we're passing out pink slips, Rick Barnes too) !!!

3 - If Harrison wasn't smart enough to check this out himself in advance, maybe there's a reason he's struggling with academic eligibility??

August 16, 2013  08:58 AM ET
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If the NCAA determines it is a legit class, I think the biggest question is "Did he pass the course?" If that course was needed for eligibility and he passed, he's eligible. If it was needed and he didn't pass, he is ineligible.

The thing that is really confusing, or conspiracy theorists wet dream, is that that BYU cleared it for Contra Costa CC, and allowed him to get his Associatees Degree. It wasn't until the transfer was made to UTx, that BYU rescinded the qualification and made the claim that it was only for athletes that played at BYU.

August 16, 2013  08:59 AM ET
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So the kid took a BYU course, for credit towards his academic standing at UTx, but BYU can't/doesn't/won't say if he passed or not? But you are saying it's because BYU doesn't "allow" that course to count towards anyone's academic record outside of BYU?

He passed it, the only block is the claim its for athletes that play at BYU

August 16, 2013  09:00 AM ET

It's all Texas' fault

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August 16, 2013  09:02 AM ET
QUOTE(#9):

1 - Saying that you have self-study courses for your own student athletes, but not for those from another school strikes me as tantamount to saying they are creampuff courses you created just to make your jocks eligible.2 - Isn't someone on staff in Austin supposed to check this stuff out in advance for our kids? Fire his/her [***behind***] (and, as long as we're passing out pink slips, Rick Barnes too) !!!3 - If Harrison wasn't smart enough to check this out himself in advance, maybe there's a reason he's struggling with academic eligibility??

1. yes, pretty much

2. they did it was OK at the time for transfer

3. From what I heard, his JC counselor advised him to take the class and everything was fine until BYU rescinded it.

August 16, 2013  09:02 AM ET
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No. He took the course while at the JC not while at Tx. It applied to his JC graduation and BYU gave him the grade. He graduated, was accepted to Tx and began practicing. Then BYU went back to the JC and said whoops sorry we aren't going to let you have the grade. The issue is not between BYU and TX its between BYU and the JC. Tx is just caught in the middle waiting for the two schools to get it fixed.

that's consistent from what I hear...

August 16, 2013  09:07 AM ET
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That's what I thought also. Ergo, the "scroo BYU" sentiment, but there is apparently something I'm missing here.

I feel for Harrison. How many of us just said to the advisor, what classes to I need to get out of here?

August 16, 2013  09:08 AM ET
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No. He took the course while at the JC not while at Tx. It applied to his JC graduation and BYU gave him the grade. He graduated, was accepted to Tx and began practicing. Then BYU went back to the JC and said whoops sorry we aren't going to let you have the grade. The issue is not between BYU and TX its between BYU and the JC. Tx is just caught in the middle waiting for the two schools to get it fixed.

There's the part I was missing.


Thank you, sir. Free beer for you at the Haus. What brand do you prefer?

August 16, 2013  09:09 AM ET
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How many of us just said to the advisor, what classes to I need to get out of here?

<raises hand>

August 16, 2013  09:12 AM ET
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No. He took the course while at the JC not while at Tx. It applied to his JC graduation and BYU gave him the grade. He graduated, was accepted to Tx and began practicing. Then BYU went back to the JC and said whoops sorry we aren't going to let you have the grade. The issue is not between BYU and TX its between BYU and the JC. Tx is just caught in the middle waiting for the two schools to get it fixed.

and, what are the odds of it getting fixed, oh say around 9/9

 
August 16, 2013  09:25 AM ET
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... Come on now, this is the horns.

Yep, and we can beat any team in your weak little conference.

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