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Jimmy Rollins: Players to blame for Charlie Manuel's firing

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10:34 AM ET 08.18 | It was well after Friday's 4-0 loss to the Los Angeles Dodgers in Ryne Sandberg's first game as the Phillies' interim manager, and shortstop Jimmy Rollins was speaking candidly about the situation. Rollins was talking about how he thought Sandberg's predecessor, Charlie Manuel, did a good job and that he had a good relationship with the players. Then Rollins directed the blame for Manuel's ouster on the players. "It is definitely our fault he got let go," Rollins said. "It's not the coaches or managers out there playing."

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Jimmy Rollins, Charlie Manuel, Jed Jacobsohn/Getty Images Jimmy Rollins, Charlie Manuel, Jed Jacobsohn/Getty Images
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August 18, 2013  11:08 AM ET

It always is, but you can't fire the whole team. Very costly.

August 18, 2013  11:10 AM ET
QUOTE(#2):

It always is, but you can't fire the whole team. Very costly.

Plus, with this team you might get a age discrimination suit filed by the AARP.

August 18, 2013  11:43 AM ET
QUOTE(#3):

Plus, with this team you might get a age discrimination suit filed by the AARP.

Ruben Amaro Jr., the GM, put the group together. He stays? How is that?

August 18, 2013  01:48 PM ET

Cheap suits. Folded.

August 18, 2013  01:50 PM ET
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Ruben Amaro Jr., the GM, put the group together. He stays? How is that?

Manuel was the scapegoat.

August 18, 2013  02:08 PM ET

DUH jimmie---- you are at the head of the list!!! One of the highest payrolls in MLB, and cannot score runs----
I will say that watching DUMB brown is always entertaining-- this RUBE cannot judge a fly ball.... Always fun to watch!!

August 18, 2013  02:34 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

Ruben Amaro Jr., the GM, put the group together. He stays? How is that?

Maybe they just wanted him to be the one to fire Manuel before they fire Amero this fall.

August 18, 2013  02:48 PM ET
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Maybe they just wanted him to be the one to fire Manuel before they fire Amero this fall.

I am guessing this to be the case. Should have been the other way around though. Fire Amaro, trade half the team at the deadline and see if Manuel can do something with the kids/prospects. If not, then get rid of him too

August 18, 2013  02:54 PM ET

Phillies finally scored a run vs. Dodgers pitching.

August 18, 2013  02:55 PM ET

No **** Jimmy, Cholly was the winningest coach in Phillies history and your guys poor performance was the reason he got canned............

August 18, 2013  05:23 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

I am guessing this to be the case. Should have been the other way around though. Fire Amaro, trade half the team at the deadline and see if Manuel can do something with the kids/prospects. If not, then get rid of him too

this dude gets it....

August 18, 2013  05:31 PM ET
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Yep.It's called under-performing. And Rollins is as guilty as anyone.

Disagree. Rollins was never a very good player. Fans have always thought otherwise (due to his bogus MVP award) andso their expectations have always been unrealistic, but Rollins isn't underperforming.

Rollins has been a very average player for many years, and quite honestly it's hard to think of another player whose reputation is as skewed as Jimmy's. He was never deserving of all the hype and accolades, and at this point any fan who expects anything significant from Rollings is completely fooling themself.

Rollins isn't a good player, plain and simple. Not sure why nobody can see it

August 18, 2013  05:31 PM ET

Rollins*

August 18, 2013  11:52 PM ET
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Disagree. Rollins was never a very good player.

Here's some interesting facts about one J. Rollins:

- Ten 30-steal seasons, tied for 18th in MLB history, and behind only Ozzie Smith and Bert Campaneris (11 each) among shortstops.

- Six 100-run seasons , 3rd among shortstops behind only Derek Jeter (13), and Alex Rodriguez (8).

- One of only 24 players in MLB history with 400 doubles, 400 steals, and 2,000 hits. The only shortstops to do it were Honus Wagner, Ozzie Smith, Omar Vizquel, and two from the turn of the last century, George Davis and Bill Dahlen.


The last one really sticks out. Those coupled with 4 Gold Gloves, the 2007 MVP award that in your opinion, is bogus, and 2 World Series apperances.....I think he was (and still is) a very GOOD player. You would have a different opinion of him if he were on your beloved Marlins, Me thinks...

Stop looking at him through fish smelling tuna can glasses and look at him and his career objectivly instead of mixing in a bunch of biased homerism....if you can.

Sincerely yours,
Detroit Tigers Fan.

August 19, 2013  02:50 AM ET
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Here's some interesting facts about one J. Rollins:- Ten 30-steal seasons, tied for 18th in MLB history, and behind only Ozzie Smith and Bert Campaneris (11 each) among shortstops.- Six 100-run seasons , 3rd among shortstops behind only Derek Jeter (13), and Alex Rodriguez (8).- One of only 24 players in MLB history with 400 doubles, 400 steals, and 2,000 hits. The only shortstops to do it were Honus Wagner, Ozzie Smith, Omar Vizquel, and two from the turn of the last century, George Davis and Bill Dahlen.The last one really sticks out. Those coupled with 4 Gold Gloves, the 2007 MVP award that in your opinion, is bogus, and 2 World Series apperances.....I think he was (and still is) a very GOOD player. You would have a different opinion of him if he were on your beloved Marlins, Me thinks...Stop looking at him through fish smelling tuna can glasses and look at him and his career objectivly instead of mixing in a bunch of biased homerism....if you can.Sincerely yours,Detroit Tigers Fan.

Here are some more interesting Rollins stats:

-career slash line of .269/.327/.426
-only managed to hit .300 once, in 53 ABs his first season
-never had a .350 OBP season. Not even once
-only slugged over .500 once, during his 2007 "MVP" season

An average Rollins season looks like this:

.269/.327/.426
14 HR
59 RBI

I'll give Rollins credit for staying healthy, which is how he accumulated those lifetime achievement numbers you mentioned. He's also a good base stealer, or was in his "prime". He hasn't been a good defensive player in 2013 but over his career he had his moments, and at times was even a good fielder.

But with the exception of 2007, he's always been an average offensive player and he certainly isn't the Hall of Fame shoo-in a lot fans make him out to be.

August 19, 2013  02:59 AM ET

Plus Gold Gloves are more of a popularity contest than any kind of actual recognition for true defensive dominance.

Also I found your accusations about me being a homeristic Marlins Fan to be offensive and presumptuous, regardless of how accurate they may or may not have been. For all you know I would've hated Rollins even more if he had been a Marlin. After all, I am aware of his shortcomings and undoubtedly would've regretted the large contract he probably would have been earning.

Anyhoo, stop assuming your cheesy longevity-based numbers would trump every day statistical data, like batting average, on base percentage, and slugging percentage. You cant look at those 2,000 hits in a vacuum. There is more to the story, and now you know the rest of it.

Sincerely yours,
The Marlins Fan

August 19, 2013  03:04 AM ET
QUOTE(#15):

...I think he was (and still is) a very GOOD player.

How on earth do you think he's still a good player? Look at Rollins 2013 batting line:

.238/.304/339

His on base percentage is barely hovering over .300. His slugging is below .340. I don't see how anyone could possibly say those are the numbers of a "good" player. He's not even at replacement level. You could argue he's hurting the Phillies just by being in the lineup, and especially in the leadoff spot.

Rollins is done. Toast, finished, stick a fork in him.

August 19, 2013  03:06 AM ET

In 2013 Rollins has 5 homers and 34 RBI, for those of you who prefer more traditional numbers. In 463 at bats.

 
August 19, 2013  11:21 AM ET

gibbergash has a point, ole j roll is a top 10 short stop in every statistical category and has been for years. puts things a bit in perspective when you look at his position. no other available player gives you that

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