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Wisconsin's coach Gary Andersen not satisfied with ref's explanation

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10:12 AM ET 09.15 | Gary Andersen didn't lose his composure after his first loss at Wisconsin, a loss that was as controversial as it was stunning. Yet as Andersen explained to reporters how he didn't receive a satisfactory explanation why the final 15 seconds ticked off the clock after quarterback Joel Stave knelt down at the Arizona State 15 to center the ball for a field-goal attempt, it was obvious he was steaming. "I don't have a lot to say," Andersen said after UW suffered a 32-30 loss when time expired after Stave lost 2 yards on the play. The plan, according to Andersen and the players, was for UW to line up and spike the ball, a sequence the team works on every Friday in practice. But Stave bounced up too quickly, by his admission, and set the ball down on the ground. Although whistles were audible immediately after Stave set down the ball, Arizona State linebacker Anthony Jones jumped on the ball with 13 seconds left. Jones stayed on the ball until only four seconds remained on the clock. The umpire spotted the ball with three seconds but didn't allow UW to line up over the ball until one second remaining. By the time center Dallas Lewallen was able to snap the ball time had expired and the Sun Devils had prevailed. "It was a shame it went down the way it went down at the end," Andersen said, "and that's really all I want to say about it. It is a shame it went down that way. "We (knee) it with 15 seconds left and never even got a chance to snap it again. I don't know how that happens."

Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel

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September 15, 2013  10:22 AM ET

I didn't see the game, but am left wondering why Wisky got itself into this frenetic end-of-game pickle to begin with. In a close game, I would think you'd save one time-out for a situation like this. If all three time-outs have already been used up, then your cause was indeed desperate and you had a very slim chance of winning anyway.

September 15, 2013  10:47 AM ET

Instead of spiking the ball at 15 seconds, Stave put the ball on the ground without the knee down, and an ASU player jumped on it like he would a fumble. That was his mistake instead of spiking the ball, stopping the clock, and getting the FG unit out there like any normal last play.

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September 15, 2013  10:59 AM ET
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Thank Gawd this wasnt Leslie again... Would be hearing about it whole year

The Mad Hatter used up his whole bag of tricks?

September 15, 2013  11:07 AM ET
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Instead of spiking the ball at 15 seconds, Stave put the ball on the ground without the knee down, and an ASU player jumped on it like he would a fumble. That was his mistake instead of spiking the ball, stopping the clock, and getting the FG unit out there like any normal last play.

+1. The QB screwed the pooch, big time.

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September 15, 2013  11:30 AM ET

The NCAA should look into the finish of the game and how the Refs blow the game.

September 15, 2013  12:15 PM ET
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That was a Big_Asss_ClusterPhukkI have no idea what the QB was doing... And BSPN isnt brainwashing me into his knee being down.. Thank Gawd this wasnt Leslie again... Would be hearing about it whole year

You're right, I watched it. The QB just took it a few steps to center the ball and put it down on the ground.

September 15, 2013  12:42 PM ET
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Looks like the refs need to be fired. Wisconsin got screwed by ASU.

What??? The Badger QB didn't take a knee!!!! It should have been ASU's ball as they recovered the fumble!!!

September 15, 2013  12:45 PM ET
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The NCAA should look into the finish of the game and how the Refs blow the game.

Are you sure the refs blew the game?? If the refs blew the game at all, it was for not giving ASU the ball on a fumble, as the Badger QB never put a knee down on the ground, he fumble the ball!!!

September 15, 2013  12:45 PM ET

I watched the game, and rewound it on vcr about 10 times to figure it all out. Wisky snapped the ball, their QB jumped around a couple steps then set the ball on the ground. It should have been ASU's ball after their fat guy jumped on it, first of all. Secondly, after the QB set it on the ground he ran backwards and jumped up and down yelling at the refs because he realized what a bonehead move he made and thought the refs were actually calling it a turnover, the clock is running during all this, so it was just a few seconds left anyway, for the refs to set the ball and the new rule is there must be 3 seconds on the clock when the ball is snapped to be able to spike it to stop the clock, and they didn't even get set before the clock ran out.

Wisconsin lost because they didn't spike it when they had the chance. Lane Kiffin would never have done something this stupid.

A very long post for such a meaningless game.

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September 15, 2013  01:05 PM ET

It was a clear cluster ****. Stave's play was absolutely stupid (and if the HC ordered it he's stupid too) and he didn't get his knee down as far as I could see. The refs were just as bad as they didn't rule anything. It was either a fumble or the ASU player was guilty of delaying a game... one or the other.

September 15, 2013  01:19 PM ET
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IMO, QB tried to knee <went thru the motion>but the few times I watched and the angles it seemed like it didnt touch. Could I be wrong, yes

We all could be wrong, but I watched the re-play about 10 times and it sure looked like the QB "didn't" get his knee down before he put the ball on the ground!! IMO, it was a fumble.

September 15, 2013  01:50 PM ET

Just saw the replay. Wisky QB Joel Stave had a brain fart. Plain and simple. Here's the rub: 1st and 10, ball on +13 RIGHT HASH with 18 seconds on game clock. The intent was for Stave to move the ball over to midfield on the next play for a down-the-middle FG attempt. He had to take a knee. If he had spiked the ball at any point on the 1st down play, the refs would've simply moved the ball back to the original spot on the right hash. It had to be a run play to improve the spot of the ball. Assuming a clean DOWNING of the ball with about 12 seconds remaining, clock running, THEN a spike of the ball would kill the clock with about 4-6 seconds remaining in the game, and enough time on the next play clock reset to trot out the FG kicker for a last-play-of-the-game try.

Stave blew it by SPOTTING, not downing ball by taking a knee, like OT and River said. Technically a fumble. ASU recovery should've been game over at that point. Refs were confused themselves in the immediate aftermath, had to reset the ball, and time ran out before Wisky could bring out their special teams and FG kicker. Which brings me to another point: If you have that little faith in your FG kicker to make a 30-yard attempt from the right hash, then you need to find another kicker. On second thought, maybe the brain fart really resides with HC Gary Andersen. The QB was probably working off his coach's instructions. In the final analysis, it was just shoddy clock management on Wisky's part. Real comedy of errors there. Unbelievable choke moment.

September 15, 2013  02:13 PM ET

OK, that's not the whole story. Now I see an end-zone freeze pic that shows Stave clearly taking a knee (his right knee, BTW) at midfield on the +15. Part of the problem is perception: the sideline camera shows the QB bumping into the back of his left guard's leg, thus giving the appearance of Stave not putting his knee on the ground. Yet, the play is whistled dead with 15 seconds remaining.

ASU's defensive players fall on the dead ball thinking it's a fumble; the umpire steps forward to sort out the mess with 10 seconds left. The referee (in white cap) steps forward, but instead of stopping the clock and/or charging ASU for delay of game, instead urges Wisky to get to the LOS and run their next play. An ASU in the interim seconds (between -10 and -5) wanders over to the referee to argue that the ball was a fumble and recovery by his team. By the time ASU gets bak on their side of the ball, the clock is under 5 seconds and bleeding to :00.

SO, maybe it is indeed a huge game management and control mistake by the officials. At any rate, it didn't end the way Wisconsin thought it would.

September 15, 2013  06:30 PM ET
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Looks like the refs need to be fired. Wisconsin got screwed by ASU.

Lol! Did you watch the game?

September 15, 2013  11:28 PM ET

Fumble!

 
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