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07:30 AM ET 12.06 | We're coming down the home stretch of another college football season, and the Heisman Trophy may be Jameis Winston's to lose -- but Northern Illinois QB Jordan Lynch, who has thrown 22 TDs and run for 20 TDs, can make a pretty good case. The dual-threat signal-caller became the fifth quarterback in FBS history with 20 rushing touchdowns and 20 passing touchdowns in the same season. Three of the players to do so went on to win the Heisman Trophy: Tim Tebow, Cam Newton and Johnny Manziel. NIU will play Bowling Green in the MAC title game on Friday, and a win could send the Huskies to a BCS game for a second straight season. And another strong game from Lynch against a good Bowling Green defense could possibly vault him past Winston.

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December 6, 2013  08:00 AM ET

The reason why he was not charged was stated by Meigs "he did not think he had a chance to win". Probable cause in judicial terms in Florida is appartently not what it is in other states.

It was definitely going to be a "he said she said" kind of case and those are often the hardest to prove. At the end of the day the SA just did not have a case that he was confident in for a variety of reasons. For purposes of full disclosure I am an attorney and have done some felony work here in Ohio. Not a criminal expert mind you but I know my way around a grand jury and the criminal bill process.

People have now said "He's innocent". A return on no bill from the SA is not a proclamation of innocence. JW has not gone through a trial where a jury of his peers found him "not guilty" (like Zimmerman). In that instance one can proclaim their innocence. No the SA felt that there is insufficient evidence to bring a case forward under the Florida Criminal Code. That is not the same as being "innocent".

From what I read in the public documents (all of them are posted and redacted to protect the victim's identity) on the TPD web site, this young man dodged a bullet my friend. He is quite lucky his little "quickie" didn't do him in. Read all of the statements, affidavits, ER reports and lab reports and then ask yourself if he is "innocent". There was a dirty little deed that went down on the night of December 7, 2012 but apparently that deed did not rise to the level of criminality under the FL Penal Code. What cannot come through in the documents is the veracity and integrity of witnesses. That is where evaluation becomes subjective and a matter for the opinion of the SA.

One thing is for sure, Winston's good name has been damaged for a night of daring sex. Consensual he say's ... consensual she says. He is quite lucky.

Now, let's put this behind us and get our teams ready for some football.

December 6, 2013  08:01 AM ET

*Unconsensual she says

December 6, 2013  08:01 AM ET

Jordan Lynch is the better QB.

December 6, 2013  08:07 AM ET
QUOTE(#1):

The reason why he was not charged was stated by Meigs "he did not think he had a chance to win". Probable cause in judicial terms in Florida is appartently not what it is in other states.It was definitely going to be a "he said she said" kind of case and those are often the hardest to prove. At the end of the day the SA just did not have a case that he was confident in for a variety of reasons. For purposes of full disclosure I am an attorney and have done some felony work here in Ohio. Not a criminal expert mind you but I know my way around a grand jury and the criminal bill process.People have now said "He's innocent". A return on no bill from the SA is not a proclamation of innocence. JW has not gone through a trial where a jury of his peers found him "not guilty" (like Zimmerman). In that instance one can proclaim their innocence. No the SA felt that there is insufficient evidence to bring a case forward under the Florida Criminal Code. That is not the same as being "innocent".From what I read in the public documents (all of them are posted and redacted to protect the victim's identity) on the TPD web site, this young man dodged a bullet my friend. He is quite lucky his little "quickie" didn't do him in. Read all of the statements, affidavits, ER reports and lab reports and then ask yourself if he is "innocent". There was a dirty little deed that went down on the night of December 7, 2012 but apparently that deed did not rise to the level of criminality under the FL Penal Code. What cannot come through in the documents is the veracity and integrity of witnesses. That is where evaluation becomes subjective and a matter for the opinion of the SA.One thing is for sure, Winston's good name has been damaged for a night of daring sex. Consensual he say's ... consensual she says. He is quite lucky. Now, let's put this behind us and get our teams ready for some football.

Bet you if it was you or me we would be in jail.........big time QB playing for a NC, I think the Prosecuter was more worried about the fall-out from the fans and media if he was going to pursue charges then getting to the bottom of it.

December 6, 2013  08:23 AM ET

This is sad. Sad only.

December 6, 2013  08:25 AM ET
QUOTE(#5):

This is sad. Sad only.

Agree Tinny. Hope my post #1 communicated that. I was trying to be objective about what I read online, but at the end of the day there are no winners here.

December 6, 2013  08:26 AM ET
QUOTE(#4):

Bet you if it was you or me we would be in jail.........big time QB playing for a NC, I think the Prosecuter was more worried about the fall-out from the fans and media if he was going to pursue charges then getting to the bottom of it.

Doubtful, if anything they'll jump at the cases to show how much justice they could deal to anybody and everybody who commits a crime. But that's a double edged sword.
I know that media being what it is today a girl could definitely say things to get her name out there or for a petty thing like Heisman voting. I also think that all the things said in the case could definitely come from someone like this despite apparent negative media coverage given to her and all the things she said happened factoring in.
However it is what it is, she didn't have the information readily available and coherent to provide a valid prosecution of this guy and it definitely comes across as some kind of ploy now because it was so mishandled, not just by police but by herself and her aunt (lawyer).
Not to say I believe Winston in any sort. But situations call for a little trust in the profesionals in the system right? Glad I live in Canada at least, sports stars don't get puppied by anybody if they're bad people.
On a strictly stats basis here though Lynch deserves it, even if Winston goes to the BCS title match (almost for-sure) what Lynch has done to the Huskies is nothing short of remarkable.

December 6, 2013  08:26 AM ET
QUOTE(#6):

Agree Tinny. Hope my post #1 communicated that. I was trying to be objective about what I read online, but at the end of the day there are no winners here.

True enough.

December 6, 2013  08:44 AM ET
QUOTE(#6):

Agree Tinny. Hope my post #1 communicated that. I was trying to be objective about what I read online, but at the end of the day there are no winners here.

No doubt

I didn't see the press conference, but afterwards read reports of the light nature and laughter from some. Unbelievable.

December 6, 2013  08:54 AM ET
QUOTE(#9):

No doubtI didn't see the press conference, but afterwards read reports of the light nature and laughter from some. Unbelievable.

The behavior at the presser reminded me of a group of junior high kids at lunch. Pathetic.

December 6, 2013  09:18 AM ET

My OSU Buckeyes are constantly being ripped by the sports "experts" for playing a soft schedule, so be it. Why don't these same people condemn FSU for their softest schedule? Now we are going to have a Heisman winner from the MAC? Give me a break! FSU hasn't seen a decent defense all year and NoIll has only seen one decent D and that is Iowa. It would be nice if these people would at least be fair and consistent.

December 6, 2013  09:19 AM ET

This just shows that if you play sports and you are very good that you can get away with rape right kobe!

December 6, 2013  09:22 AM ET
QUOTE(#6):

Agree Tinny. Hope my post #1 communicated that. I was trying to be objective about what I read online, but at the end of the day there are no winners here.

Then the prompt by the thread remains. Does the Winston report damage his chances to win the Heisman? Are the poobahs at the Downtown Athletic Club really going to follow the criteria of the Mission Statement to award the trophy to the CFB player "..whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with INTEGRITY..." <emphasis mine>?

December 6, 2013  09:22 AM ET
QUOTE(#1):

The reason why he was not charged was stated by Meigs "he did not think he had a chance to win". Probable cause in judicial terms in Florida is appartently not what it is in other states.It was definitely going to be a "he said she said" kind of case and those are often the hardest to prove. At the end of the day the SA just did not have a case that he was confident in for a variety of reasons. For purposes of full disclosure I am an attorney and have done some felony work here in Ohio. Not a criminal expert mind you but I know my way around a grand jury and the criminal bill process.People have now said "He's innocent". A return on no bill from the SA is not a proclamation of innocence. JW has not gone through a trial where a jury of his peers found him "not guilty" (like Zimmerman). In that instance one can proclaim their innocence. No the SA felt that there is insufficient evidence to bring a case forward under the Florida Criminal Code. That is not the same as being "innocent".From what I read in the public documents (all of them are posted and redacted to protect the victim's identity) on the TPD web site, this young man dodged a bullet my friend. He is quite lucky his little "quickie" didn't do him in. Read all of the statements, affidavits, ER reports and lab reports and then ask yourself if he is "innocent". There was a dirty little deed that went down on the night of December 7, 2012 but apparently that deed did not rise to the level of criminality under the FL Penal Code. What cannot come through in the documents is the veracity and integrity of witnesses. That is where evaluation becomes subjective and a matter for the opinion of the SA.One thing is for sure, Winston's good name has been damaged for a night of daring sex. Consensual he say's ... consensual she says. He is quite lucky. Now, let's put this behind us and get our teams ready for some football.

BB, Jameis Winston will not be allowed put this "alleged" rape case behind him. It will follow him the rest of his life.

December 6, 2013  09:25 AM ET
QUOTE(#13):

Then the prompt by the thread remains. Does the Winston report damage his chances to win the Heisman? Are the poobahs at the Downtown Athletic Club really going to follow the criteria of the Mission Statement to award the trophy to the CFB player "..whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with INTEGRITY..." <emphasis mine>?

GTH, I agree and what still bother me is why Jameis Winston didn't clear the air last Dec or Jan??

December 6, 2013  09:26 AM ET
QUOTE(#12):

This just shows that if you play sports and you are very good that you can get away with rape right kobe!

It has followed Kobe all these years and it will haunt Winston for the rest of his life.

December 6, 2013  09:26 AM ET
QUOTE(#1):

Consensual he say's ... consensual she says.

What is that old tune.....Winston tastes good like a .......

sorry, just forgot myslef there, all the piggies in New Guinie please forgive me......

December 6, 2013  09:27 AM ET
QUOTE(#11):

My OSU Buckeyes are constantly being ripped by the sports "experts" for playing a soft schedule, so be it. Why don't these same people condemn FSU for their softest schedule? Now we are going to have a Heisman winner from the MAC? Give me a break! FSU hasn't seen a decent defense all year and NoIll has only seen one decent D and that is Iowa. It would be nice if these people would at least be fair and consistent.

River beat Michigan State and you will get your chance at Florida State.

December 6, 2013  09:28 AM ET
QUOTE(#13):

Then the prompt by the thread remains. Does the Winston report damage his chances to win the Heisman? Are the poobahs at the Downtown Athletic Club really going to follow the criteria of the Mission Statement to award the trophy to the CFB player "..whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with INTEGRITY..." <emphasis mine>?

Just to stir the pot. Most of you regulars will recall that we debated this ad infinitum, ad nauseam a while back during Cam Newton's consideration for the Heisman. The cloud of unproven payola suspicions swirling around Newton didn't precipitate any rain on HIS parade.

 
December 6, 2013  09:29 AM ET
QUOTE(#1):

Consensual

Don't you think it was a little strange that it took Winston a year to say the sex was "Consensual"??

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