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Notre Dame's Prince Shembo tied to Lizzy Seeberg suicide

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09:34 AM ET 02.23 | Former Notre Dame linebacker and NFL prospect Prince Shembo admitted Saturday he was the player investigated in the 2010 case of a St. Mary's College student who alleged she was inappropriately touched. The student, Lizzy Seeberg, committed suicide less than two weeks later. Shembo, who was never charged in the case, made his first public denial of the accusation Saturday. The No. 17 outside linebacker in the draft according to ESPN.com, Shembo said every team he has spoken with at the NFL scouting combine has asked about the accusations. He said he tells teams what he believes to be the truth. "I'm innocent," Shembo said. "I didn't do anything. I'm, pretty much, I'm the one who ended it and pretty much told the girl that we should stop, that we shouldn't be doing this and that's what happened. So, I don't know." The incident occurred on Aug. 31, 2010. According to ABC News, Seeberg reported it on Sept. 6, 2010. She committed suicide four days later.

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February 23, 2014  09:42 AM ET

Sad situation as I recall. Now the other half becomes public. Had Shembo been outed before this?

February 23, 2014  09:46 AM ET

If you were in a relationship with that young woman, Mr. Shembo, and you have admitted to ending it, then you did do something, and you are not innocent. Attempting to wash your hands of this tragic (and possibly criminal) affair will not expiate your guilt. You will live with that fact for the rest of your days on this rock.

February 23, 2014  09:54 AM ET
QUOTE(#1):

Sad situation as I recall. Now the other half becomes public. Had Shembo been outed before this?

Very sad and very telling of how the system works too often. The police did not interview Shembo until 19 days after her report to them was filed. Everybody protected their turf, the school hiding behind the all useful " Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act ", the coach his program, the police and on and on.

Shembo is the only one left to tell the story and that is that. My question though is this, if Shembo was not a student and worked at Walmart or was hanging out unemployed, is he still protected from public disclosure by some " Yada yada Rights and Privacy Act?" I doubt it. Being a college student does should not change any criminal investigation.

February 23, 2014  09:59 AM ET

If you are to believe Shembo, you must believe this part of his statement about the whole sad affair: "I pretty much told the girl that we should stop, that we shouldn't be doing this and that's what happened."

Does that sound reasonable to anybody? Even "pretty much?"...Really? She was all over him and he said " No, no, this is wrong?"

February 23, 2014  11:30 AM ET
QUOTE(#4):

If you are to believe Shembo, you must believe this part of his statement about the whole sad affair: "I pretty much told the girl that we should stop, that we shouldn't be doing this and that's what happened."Does that sound reasonable to anybody? Even "pretty much?"...Really? She was all over him and he said " No, no, this is wrong?"

When you were a younger man (maybe a 20 Year Fan) did you ever touch a girls breast while she had clothes on? If you did you were guilty of the same "assault" charges that the anti ND contingent wants this kid arrested for. Even the girl admitted this is what happened so why are you so quick to condemn. Ah yes...it's Notre Dame...!

February 23, 2014  11:31 AM ET
QUOTE(#2):

If you were in a relationship with that young woman, Mr. Shembo, and you have admitted to ending it, then you did do something, and you are not innocent. Attempting to wash your hands of this tragic (and possibly criminal) affair will not expiate your guilt. You will live with that fact for the rest of your days on this rock.

And what exactly would that crime be...? I will ask you the same questions I asked 50 Year Fan in comment 5 above.

February 23, 2014  11:38 AM ET

He wasn't much of a prince now was he?

February 23, 2014  11:49 AM ET
QUOTE(#7):

He wasn't much of a prince now was he?

No argument there...

February 23, 2014  11:52 AM ET
QUOTE(#5):

When you were a younger man (maybe a 20 Year Fan) did you ever touch a girls breast while she had clothes on? If you did you were guilty of the same "assault" charges that the anti ND contingent wants this kid arrested for. Even the girl admitted this is what happened so why are you so quick to condemn. Ah yes...it's Notre Dame...!

Stay on topic, please. You are making up a whole new story line. She said " he grabbed my face and started blah blah blah.."...HE says " I said ".... told the girl that we should stop, that we shouldn't be doing this ..."

Now please respond to what Shembo CLAIMS was the way it all happened. Do YOU honestly believe HIS story. Jeesh! Not that hard to answer now is it? Please, raise your hand if you ever, or know of any male personally, who EVER said " No, no this is all so wrong, we must stop..." right before or in the middle of doing the nasty."


Come on, even a Domer apologist does not buy that story. Really! Only a few know what really happened, but any one who believes Shembo's version, is mentally suspect or delusional. And you know it.


simple question. Do YOU believe Shembo's story and him saying No No?

February 23, 2014  12:31 PM ET

Oh Boy, here we go again; the Haters parade!
Let's see what they try to make of a four year-old incident that was investigated legally and not pursued for lack of evidence of criminal behavior.
And, let's see how said Haters ignore the real evidence, documented, that the sad young woman was dealing with, and being treated for, emotional issues before she arrived in South Bend.
This was a teen-age dating drama with a tragic ending, but with no criminal intent--unless the Hater's effort to blow it out of proportion is intentionally criminally slanderous.

February 23, 2014  12:40 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

Stay on topic, please. You are making up a whole new story line. She said " he grabbed my face and started blah blah blah.."...HE says " I said ".... told the girl that we should stop, that we shouldn't be doing this ..."Now please respond to what Shembo CLAIMS was the way it all happened. Do YOU honestly believe HIS story. Jeesh! Not that hard to answer now is it? Please, raise your hand if you ever, or know of any male personally, who EVER said " No, no this is all so wrong, we must stop..." right before or in the middle of doing the nasty."Come on, even a Domer apologist does not buy that story. Really! Only a few know what really happened, but any one who believes Shembo's version, is mentally suspect or delusional. And you know it.simple question. Do YOU believe Shembo's story and him saying No No?

Let's stick to facts since neither of us was there. She NEVER claimed she was raped or sexually assaulted. She claimed he touched her breast through her dress. Why do you have to condemn this kid because you claim it isn't believable or possible that he suggested they stop. I usually find you one of the more rational commenters here 50 Years but in this case I don't. It is a tragedy what happened to this beautiful young girl but you are really are making assumptions here that have no basis in fact.

February 23, 2014  12:43 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

Please, raise your hand if you ever, or know of any male personally, who EVER said " No, no this is all so wrong, we must stop..." right before or in the middle of doing the nasty."

Does it count if it's a character in the 1991 TV movie, 'Wildflower?' [Note: written by Sara Flanigan, and directed by Diane Keaton]

William McNamara played Sammy Perkins, generally a fine young man of good character. He encounters a teenaged girl with acute hearing loss since infancy, Alice (Patricia Arquette). Thought to be mentally deficient by her kin, she has been raised uneducated in an isolated rural environment. Sammy's family takes an interest in bettering the girl's circumstances, which leads to trust and growing affection from the innocent and unsophisticated Alice. Sammy encounters Alice one evening while she is bathing in a pond. Though he declines her innocent invitation to join the bathing, being roused by the sight of her naked, he later begins to kiss her, passionately. Alice offers no resistance. Indeed, she seems to be responding quite naturally to Sammy, for whom she cares. It is clear that Sammy could take things all the way, though it is also clear that Alice is naive, and her participation would be unwitting of the inevitable conclusion and possible circumstances. Sammy breaks away from the heavy petting, repeatedly saying, "This is not right." He leaves Alice confused and distraught - not because the encounter failed to conclude in the beast with two backs, but because of the sudden withdrawal from the unfettered expression of affection she perceived the encounter to be.

Now, is this a realistic portrayal of the actions of a college-aged young man of character with values and convictions? Or, is it the fantastic hopes of the women who wrote and directed the photoplay? Putting it another way, if you were in Sammy's shoes, would you have done as he did, or would you have fully availed yourself of Alice's innocence?

February 23, 2014  12:43 PM ET
QUOTE(#10):

Oh Boy, here we go again; the Haters parade!Let's see what they try to make of a four year-old incident that was investigated legally and not pursued for lack of evidence of criminal behavior.And, let's see how said Haters ignore the real evidence, documented, that the sad young woman was dealing with, and being treated for, emotional issues before she arrived in South Bend.This was a teen-age dating drama with a tragic ending, but with no criminal intent--unless the Hater's effort to blow it out of proportion is intentionally criminally slanderous.

Oh stop. That is the trump card any time ND is involved in anything unseemly. ND is no different than 98% of the schools that play big time football. Some good, some bad. Shoot the messenger? How pedestrian.

Do YOU believe what Shembo claims is the way it all went down now? She was all over him and he says " No, stop , this is wrong?"

Of course you don't. Leave names and ND out of it, and run the story by your wife or friends or co workers and ask them do believe this guy?

Jeesh! It is not about ND, don't be silly. It is about people....One dead and one left to tell a story and a young man being questioned by NFL evaluators about a future job possibility....

How sad that ND threw out stuff about a dead girl, as you did, " Oh, she had problems don't ya know?" Well, those alleged problems did not result in her committing suicide until an incident with a ND football player. coincidence no doubt..

February 23, 2014  12:47 PM ET
QUOTE(#12):

Does it count if it's a character in the 1991 TV movie, 'Wildflower?' [Note: written by Sara Flanigan, and directed by Diane Keaton] William McNamara played Sammy Perkins, generally a fine young man of good character. He encounters a teenaged girl with acute hearing loss since infancy, Alice (Patricia Arquette). Thought to be mentally deficient by her kin, she has been raised uneducated in an isolated rural environment. Sammy's family takes an interest in bettering the girl's circumstances, which leads to trust and growing affection from the innocent and unsophisticated Alice. Sammy encounters Alice one evening while she is bathing in a pond. Though he declines her innocent invitation to join the bathing, being roused by the sight of her naked, he later begins to kiss her, passionately. Alice offers no resistance. Indeed, she seems to be responding quite naturally to Sammy, for whom she cares. It is clear that Sammy could take things all the way, though it is also clear that Alice is naive, and her participation would be unwitting of the inevitable conclusion and possible circumstances. Sammy breaks away from the heavy petting, repeatedly saying, "This is not right." He leaves Alice confused and distraught - not because the encounter failed to conclude in the beast with two backs, but because of the sudden withdrawal from the unfettered expression of affection she perceived the encounter to be. Now, is this a realistic portrayal of the actions of a college-aged young man of character with values and convictions? Or, is it the fantastic hopes of the women who wrote and directed the photoplay? Putting it another way, if you were in Sammy's shoes, would you have done as he did, or would you have fully availed yourself of Alice's innocence?

Nice. In a movie It could happen. Everyone knows Shembo is not telling the truth. Why? Because he may not have been guilty of a crime, we will never know, but the truth of what happened does not serve him well.


Still waiting for one domer to tell me they believe his version of what happened. They tactfully avoid the most basic and simple question regarding the story. Do you believe Shembo?

I doubt a one will ever answer that question....

February 23, 2014  12:58 PM ET

I believe him (and I have two daughters in case you were wondering).

February 23, 2014  01:02 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

When you were a younger man (maybe a 20 Year Fan) did you ever touch a girls breast while she had clothes on? If you did you were guilty of the same "assault" charges that the anti ND contingent wants this kid arrested for. Even the girl admitted this is what happened so why are you so quick to condemn. Ah yes...it's Notre Dame...!

"Unwanted" touching for sexual gratification or purposes is a crime every where. Here in Ohio its called Gross Sexual Imposition or the lesser crime of Sexual Battery and occurs when a person is physically touched by another person without consent or permission for the purpose of sexual gratification.

You and I do not know what happened. But just being 20 yrs old does not excuse the commission of a crime. This girl sounds like she was somewhat emotionally fragile before this event but the nature of the event clearly drove her over the edge. No charges were brought for a variety of reasons, not the least of which the victim is deceased and therefore unable to provide testimony.

Sad case for all concerned.

February 23, 2014  01:15 PM ET
QUOTE(#15):

I believe him (and I have two daughters in case you were wondering).

Well, there ya go. It only takes one. Do leave the names and school out of it all and run it by your co workers someday. A young man of such high moral character as Shembo should be a role model for all ND football players. He can tell them his story of how this young woman was all over him and wanted him bad but he stopped in the middle of it all and " Just said no."...What a guy and what a head coach to tell the young man, " Don't talk to anybody about this, got it?"

You have a great day.

February 23, 2014  01:18 PM ET
QUOTE(#13):

Oh stop. That is the trump card any time ND is involved in anything unseemly. ND is no different than 98% of the schools that play big time football. Some good, some bad. Shoot the messenger? How pedestrian.Do YOU believe what Shembo claims is the way it all went down now? She was all over him and he says " No, stop , this is wrong?"Of course you don't. Leave names and ND out of it, and run the story by your wife or friends or co workers and ask them do believe this guy?Jeesh! It is not about ND, don't be silly. It is about people....One dead and one left to tell a story and a young man being questioned by NFL evaluators about a future job possibility....How sad that ND threw out stuff about a dead girl, as you did, " Oh, she had problems don't ya know?" Well, those alleged problems did not result in her committing suicide until an incident with a ND football player. coincidence no doubt..

The true Hater attitude--ND is no different than other schools, and we can't stand them not agreeing.
Yes they are, and you can't abide the thought. ND is very different, and denying it doesn't make it so.

February 23, 2014  01:29 PM ET
QUOTE(#17):

Well, there ya go. It only takes one. Do leave the names and school out of it all and run it by your co workers someday. A young man of such high moral character as Shembo should be a role model for all ND football players. He can tell them his story of how this young woman was all over him and wanted him bad but he stopped in the middle of it all and " Just said no."...What a guy and what a head coach to tell the young man, " Don't talk to anybody about this, got it?"You have a great day.

Wow...! You are the Sean Hannity of story spinning on this one my friend. A sliver of fact with a world of speculation. Let me guess...you also believe Manti T'eo made up the dead girlfriend to win the Heisman Trophy... I thought so.....!

 
February 23, 2014  02:10 PM ET
QUOTE(#17):

Well, there ya go. It only takes one. Do leave the names and school out of it all and run it by your co workers someday. A young man of such high moral character as Shembo should be a role model for all ND football players. He can tell them his story of how this young woman was all over him and wanted him bad but he stopped in the middle of it all and " Just said no."...What a guy and what a head coach to tell the young man, " Don't talk to anybody about this, got it?"You have a great day.

Pathetic, almost pathological, commentary.
ND must have done something to you personally to take on such a vendetta.

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