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The Jays should let him go. I know he's got some of the most wicked stuff in the majors but he's hurt too much.

I watched him in Miami with the Marlins and when healthy, the guy's top shelf. But he's got the injury bug. Too much money to spend for a guy who gets hurt often.

duh. the walk king of florida. he'll be in baltimore next year - not sure why he would want to go there, but that's where he'll sign.

This guy was my favorite player back when he was still with Florida. All those injuries are what really kept him from being the best pitcher in the majors imo :/

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Originally posted 07:43 AM ET  09.25 by Shaft

All those injuries are what really kept him from being the best pitcher in the majors imo :/

Um... No.

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Originally posted 08:16 AM ET  09.25 by Scharpenedfraud-foolposer.

I would hope my team The Yankees would refrain from trying to purchase this pitcher...

um... You mean like the solid investment they made in another former Marlins pitcher??? A.K.A Carl Pavano.

That signing really panned out for them.

Burentt is not really worth anyone getting into a bidding war over. Lifetime he is a .534 pitcher with a 87-76 W/L record. His ERA is a fair 3.81, nothin great, just fair. He strikeout/walk ratio is a tad over 2 to 1. This year is the only year that he has been more than 3 games over .500. The last time he did this was when he was 12-9 in 2002 with Florida. His only other years with a better than .500 record were 10-8 in 06 & 07; 4-2 in 99 & 7-6 in 04.
He does pitch well against the AL East however with Tampa being the toughest for him to face. And, btw, the second toughest team for him to pitch agaisnt in the AL East is the NYY. But that overall career record is a big red warning flag if you ask me.

Brain & Hal, stay clear.

The guy has been up and down with injuries. Yankees been burned to many times in the past to take the chance. Even if he works out for someone else, salute to that other team who got him. Going to the rays? no, to the red sox, probably not, they say Toronto will give him a fair offer to stay. Who's left? the O's or the NL. Many pitchers migrating to the NL over the years, is that like the elephant burial grounds?

Well if the Yanks don't get CC they will push for Burnett or Sheets, probably Burnett. But I can see how you don't chase your own oft injured guy...you go get someone else's oft injured guy.

Hey, he's never lost to the Red Sox, how can the Yanks NOT sign him?!? ;-p

The guy's era is 4.07 .... 4.07 doesn't = $15 million ... I don't care how many k's he has.

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Originally posted 12:35 PM ET  09.25 by FoosBall

The guy's era is 4.07 .... 4.07 doesn't = $15 million ... I don't care how many k's he has.

I agree with you on some level, that it is not worth the money, but, that is right around the going rate for that kind of talent, and a casr cam be made that he is better than his numbers. Though no matter how you slice that you have to be concerned with his health.

I know this guy is injury prone... and will certainly not be 18-10 again next season, as injuries and inconsistency have followed him everywhere...

However, if you are the Yanks, and don't want to give away the farm (which I agree) you might as well toss some Benjamins at Burnett. Hughes and Kennedy were not at all ready for the pressures of the Bronx this year. You can't simply assume they will be next season, even though I like Hughes a lot.

The Yanks don't worry about money. How many teams could have made the blunder of Carl Pavano, and moved on without even blinking? If all Burnett costs is money and not prospects, go get him. There are no alternatives. A rotation of Wang, Burnett, Hughes and Mussina is semi-respectable, and if Kennedy rebounds or the Joba experiment continues, their starting 5 is more than adequate to compete.

The real question is the position players they have to replace. Getting rid of Giambi, Abreu, Matsui will leave some holes, I have no idea who is available. Their offense stunk this season, so they need a real facelift. It will be very difficult to patch together a team next season with so many new faces and issues such as leadership and passion for the game currently in that clubhouse.

There's a more obvious issue than Burnett's seemingly injury prone career, though amazingly in his walk year he's healthy as an ox. NL pitcher's don't translate well to the American League, it is a much, much, much more difficult place to pitch than the National League. Especially the AL East. AL GM's, especially Cashman, are now well aware that no NL pitcher has matched in the AL what they did in the NL (and that includes Beckett) but more importantly have flopped, can Yankee fans say Brown, Johnson, Wright, or Pavano without getting ill? Almost every NL team now has at least one, often two, and sometimes 3 ex AL starters pitching for them, the reverse trip is rare and even more rarely successful. There's a reason for that. The latest example is Sabathia who is 4 and 8 with a 4.36 era agst AL teams this year and 12 and 2 with a 1.50 ERA agst NL teams. Before someone points out Sabathia was 6 and 8 with the Indians, 3 of his starts and two of his wins with the Indians were agst weak hitting NL teams. If Sabathia comes to the Yankees he will be a 4 era pitcher, if successful, and that assumes he can pitch in pinstripes, something that many expats have tried and few have succeeded.

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Originally posted 01:54 PM ET  09.25 by trooper707

There's a more obvious issue than Burnett's seemingly injury prone career, though amazingly in his walk year he's healthy as an ox. NL pitcher's don't translate well to the American League, it is a much, much, much more difficult place to pitch than the National League. Especially the AL East. AL GM's, especially Cashman, are now well aware that no NL pitcher has matched in the AL what they did in the NL (and that includes Beckett) but more importantly have flopped, can Yankee fans say Brown, Johnson, Wright, or Pavano without getting ill? Almost every NL team now has at least one, often two, and sometimes 3 ex AL starters pitching for them, the reverse trip is rare and even more rarely successful. There's a reason for that. The latest example is Sabathia who is 4 and 8 with a 4.36 era agst AL teams this year and 12 and 2 with a 1.50 ERA agst NL teams. Before someone points out Sabathia was 6 and 8 with the Indians, 3 of his starts and two of his wins with the Indians were agst weak hitting NL teams. If Sabathia comes to the Yankees he will be a 4 era pitcher, if successful, and that assumes he can pitch in pinstripes, something that many expats have tried and few have succeeded.

CC has an AL history, as does Burnett...I think they know what to expect. Noone expects the 1.something ERA that CC has with the Brewers.

CC has an AL history, as does Burnett...I think they know what to expect. Noone expects the 1.something ERA that CC has with the Brewers.

fair point that said these threads seem to believe that Sabathia and to a lesser extent Burnett will be lights out number ones that will not be the case but i agree with you both can pitch in the AL

No matter what we say some stupid owner/GM will give Burnett just what he wants for $$$ and length of contract. Of course the likely candidates will probably be the Rangers and Yankees !!!

He had an amazing year this year. Being a Jays fan I have seen him pitch many times this year and in the second half of the year he definitely challenged halladay as the best pitcher on this team, and other than maybe Lee and halladay, one of the best picthers in the AL.
Do I want T.O. to sign him? No. It was a contract year. Every other year for the jays he has greatly underachieved and basically seemed like he didnt care. So hes not really worth the money. Theres a big other side to this tho. Theres no salary cap. Who cares how much your owner shells out as long as he is shelling it out to more than just a few players. If the Jays spend a crap load of money for him, but still spend enough on the rest of the team, Im all for it. As for the Yankees, I don't see why in the world they wouldn't sign him. Money is no object to them. The only things that hurts them is trading away prospects. It doesn't really matter if he's worth it when theres lots of money to go around.

With Shawn Marcum down for all of 2009 and Dustin McGowan and Casey Janssen coming back from major surgery there maybe more urgency to throw some more money at Burnett. Unless JP feels he can go the free angency route and do better for less. The owners apparently aren't going to pony up much more than the 98 million there at now for the budget next year. Before Marcum went down I would have said let him walk because the 12 million could be used better I think but now I'm not so sure. He had a great year this year but it was a walk type year and he seemed really focused. Can he stay focused and healthy next year with the 15 million 4 year deal already in his pocket? I guess some team will find out.

I would beware of this guy. He's pretty good, but nothing more than a 2-year deal. A team that is desperate for pitching, such as the Yankees, would be the most likely destination.