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As a Phillies, I'm estatic. Despite the better record, they still didn't get it done and Manuel is still a link to that entire group that has failed 2 years straight. So what happens when they're not listening to Manuel 2 months into next season?

Prediction: In a desperate bid to rebuild the bullpen, the Mets will spend $50,000,000,000 to sign a closer and a bunch of middle relievers. Result, all will develope arm problems and/or have ERA's +/- 6.00.

Santana should have won 20 games easy this year. Mets got a bunch of guys that play when they want get lazy when they want. When you only score 5 runs the entire weekend of a must series you deserve to home sitting in you "lazy boy" recliner. Mets knew they had a problem at certain positions, did they address it, NO ! what a bullpen ! The Yankees have problems, you won't see them sit on their duffs, they will overhaul that team, Mets, they may sign a 42 year old or two and give it another choking go...They need 2 more starters 2 relief pitchers, a catcher,another good outfielder and go get Mark Tex..Delgado had a great year but he's getting old, it may have been his swan song...

I have less of a problem with this than I do with the Mets giving Minaya a 4 year extension before the collpase, er I mean, season was over. It's not as if there was some kind of bidding war for his "talents". Though they aren't as bad as the Knicks, this Minaya thing is starting to shape up as Isiah Thomas Part II.

Bag Minaya, who didn't think that bullpen was going to be the death of them, so to speak.

Jerry dida good job. It's thatta no good piece of garbage Omar Minaya who needs to getta whacked.

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Originally posted 10:24 AM ET  09.29 by AllStarz

Bag Minaya, who didn't think that bullpen was going to be the death of them, so to speak.

Agreed, maybe the pitching coach should get canned too.

Should have brought back Bobby V.

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Originally posted 10:24 AM ET  09.29 by AllStarz

Bag Minaya, who didn't think that bullpen was going to be the death of them, so to speak.

I agree, just like the CEO's of these big companies. If the company does bad the CEO should be fired. Omar has done very little to help the Mets bullpen for the last 2.5 years. But just like the big companies they pay the big $$$ to the people who do the least. I tought the Wilpons were MUCH smarter than this. These type of actions make a life long Met fan want to switch to a Yankees fan. At least they treat the fans correctly, just compare closing ceromies. I was at Shea & it STUNK. Fire Omar & Jay Horowitz.

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Originally posted 10:34 AM ET  09.30 by NJ Met

These type of actions make a life long Met fan want to switch to a Yankees fan. At least they treat the fans correctly, just compare closing ceromies. I was at Shea & it STUNK. Fire Omar & Jay Horowitz.

Then go be a Yankee fan.Lets compare the 2.Yankee Stadium 85 years old.Had basically every great in the game on its field.Shea open 45 years and hosted the Mets,Jets and Beatles.Meanwhile as a true Met fan I'll be back next year rocking the orange and blue no matter what.Oh and swift move firing the VP of Media relations.Clearly that was a big problem for us this year.Have fun in pinstripes.

As a Cubs fan, I am never likely to forget 1969... my sympathy for the Mets runs pretty thin. However, the Mets essentially competed until the last few days of the season with 3 useful bats, a forgettable cycle of a catching corps, a tepid bullpen, a banged-up outfield, and a rotation full of holes. Instead of blasting the Mets for not going post-season, I'd think their fans would be salaam-ing Manuel for keeping them in it with the most expensive BAD team in baseball. Wright, Reyes, and a rejuvenated Delgado can't do everything (and Beltran has been far from elite as a Met). If there's any blame to be had, it's the judgement of the recently EXTENDED (doh!) general manager who could not secure a dependable catcher, bullpen depth, or a starter to replace their banged-up rotation (after Santana) for the late-season push. Manuel was a warrior, and he kept a weak team competing with the Phillies down to the wire. Manuel desrves props, not condemnation. He had no hand whatsoever in bulding the team he inherited. They should extend him and say "Thankyou."