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If you go through five OC in ten years, then maybe they are not the problem? In fairness to Auburn, maybe they never were that good to begin with. Because some writers say you are does not make it so. The record shows what they really are..

I agree with you somewhat 50yearfan. And the type of thought I would add here to the discussion, is the tired comment, "don't hate the player, hate the game". Was it Franklin who personally failed this program, or is it the fact that this spread offense takes time for a program to adjust to? Is Auburn the only team adjusting to the new spread offense? Should we fire Rodriguez at Michigan too then? We need to take a look and ask ourselves, has there even been a program in a major conference that has taken this spread offense and enjoyed instant success? I know the folks at Florida might say yes, but other than the Gators has the spread reaped instant success?
I don't know myself. Chime in folks.

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Originally posted 06:57 AM ET  10.09 by EastCoastKeith

I agree with you somewhat 50yearfan. And the type of thought I would add here to the discussion, is the tired comment, "don't hate the player, hate the game". Was it Franklin who personally failed this program, or is it the fact that this spread offense takes time for a program to adjust to? Is Auburn the only team adjusting to the new spread offense? Should we fire Rodriguez at Michigan too then? We need to take a look and ask ourselves, has there even been a program in a major conference that has taken this spread offense and enjoyed instant success? I know the folks at Florida might say yes, but other than the Gators has the spread reaped instant success? I don't know myself. Chime in folks.

Agree with this. To run the spread, you need a QB who can run it. Urban Meyer didn't fully go to the spread when he had Chris Leak. He used Tebow and Leak to start building the spread into the offense. Michigan is going thru the same thing. When you get a dual threat QB, that's when you will see the spread pay off.

jj730, thanks for that reminder about how Meyer installed the spread in his first year. So obviously, it was much different than the current installations done especially at Auburn and Michigan. Any longtime Utah or Bowling Green fans out there? How did Meyer approach installing the spread there? And, is Meyer at fault suddenly for the demise of these other program's decisions to go spread? (I know that's a stretch)

You can't really fault Meyer for the "spread" of the spread in NCAAF. People see something they like, and try to copy it. It's kinda like that "spread punt formation" you see alot of teams going to now. Every team can't just hire a OC to come in and run the spread. You have to recruit the proper players to accomplish it. Michigan is going to be patient because they know Rich Rod is rebuilding. In 2-3, they will have a high power offense. Tuberville doesn't have that type of time at Auburn. I personally like the spread if you have the right mix of players. However, I do have a problem when you "overuse" the spread. For example, when Florida played Ole Miss. Don't line Tebow in shotgun on 4 &1. Go to Power I and pound the football..

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Originally posted 06:51 AM ET  10.09 by 50yearfan

If you go through five OC in ten years, then maybe they are not the problem? In fairness to Auburn, maybe they never were that good to begin with. Because some writers say you are does not make it so. The record shows what they really are..

I agree. I'm not sure the OC is the problem. Five in ten years, with one being highly regarded because of his accomplishments. I would look at the personnel, not to mention this is their first year running the spread.

USC has had 3 OC's in 5 years, Arkansas has had 4 OC's in 4 years. Coordinators, if successful, get promoted. If they are not, they get fired. This is very common.

I thought it was a little soon to pull the plug but I am not the head coach.

The problem is Tuberville. The one thing that hasn't changed in those 10 years of firing/losing OC is the head coach. Tuberville has keep his job because he owns Bama. I have a feeling that's about to change.

Well, I remember michigan running the spread against Florida in the bowl game. I don't think they had "the right players" but they did alright.

Look these kids have had the playbook since April or sooner, then all spring & summer to learn it. I don't think the coaches get all the blame!

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Originally posted 09:07 AM ET  10.09 by Sexton

Well, I remember michigan running the spread against Florida in the bowl game. I don't think they had "the right players" but they did alright. Look these kids have had the playbook since April or sooner, then all spring & summer to learn it. I don't think the coaches get all the blame!

That was one game. And most people knew Florida's secondary was extremely weak last year. Not a good example. You see Michigan struggling now trying to run the spread. As well as Auburn.

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Originally posted 09:07 AM ET  10.09 by Sexton

Well, I remember michigan running the spread against Florida in the bowl game. I don't think they had "the right players" but they did alright. Look these kids have had the playbook since April or sooner, then all spring & summer to learn it. I don't think the coaches get all the blame!

Terrible example. Florida actually finished 6th in the SEC last year, Michigan was supposed to win.

It's a panic move on Tuberville's part. It takes a while to learn an offensive system. There is going to be struggles and yes this team hasn't looked well on offense they didnt have the personnel there yet to properly execute.

I think this is a mistake because the kids they were recruiting on offense were to play in this system. If the new OC doesn't run the spread like Franklind did then once again you have square pegs in round holes.

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Originally posted 09:05 AM ET  10.09 by SoFlaBoy

The problem is Tuberville. The one thing that hasn't changed in those 10 years of firing/losing OC is the head coach. Tuberville has keep his job because he owns Bama. I have a feeling that's about to change.

Tuberville is a problem? How dumb are you? He has won 5 SEC West Divisions in 10 years and his winning percentage is 82.4% the past four years. I am certainly no Auburn fan but he has had great success. Let's call it like it is.

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Originally posted 06:57 AM ET  10.09 by EastCoastKeith

I agree with you somewhat 50yearfan. And the type of thought I would add here to the discussion, is the tired comment, "don't hate the player, hate the game". Was it Franklin who personally failed this program, or is it the fact that this spread offense takes time for a program to adjust to? Is Auburn the only team adjusting to the new spread offense? Should we fire Rodriguez at Michigan too then? We need to take a look and ask ourselves, has there even been a program in a major conference that has taken this spread offense and enjoyed instant success? I know the folks at Florida might say yes, but other than the Gators has the spread reaped instant success? I don't know myself. Chime in folks.

Even in the case of Florida... they got SWARMED their first year at Alabama. Remember 31-3? Demeco Ryans and gang ate Chris Leak and that spread apart. Had Urban Meyer rethinking his whole spread philosophy and if it could truly work in the SEC. He said defenses were bigger, stronger and faster than he was used to seeing. There were adjustments made and some tweaking as well.

You guys know a lot more than I do about the situation. But, it must go deeper than just being the first year to run a new offense, or the HC would stay longer with the OC knowing it would take time. It could be personal, or it could just be the presure. You are not supposed to lose to Vandy. No matter how good they are right now....It is one thing to lose to the traditional power houses, but not sure Tuberville is used to losing this way. He may have some real doubts about the direction HE chose to go with the offense and now needs time-and perhaps a fall guy....

KingFootball,

Be careful my friend. Fans in the SEC don't play to win SEC East or SEC West championships. You failed to mention how many SEC championship Tuberville has won. Which has to be won before you can even play for a NCAA championship. Auburn has had much better talent than Bama and has won ONE SEC championship game over the last 10 years.

And you ask how dumb am I? Short anwser, not as dumb as you are.

50yearfan,

You make so very good points. I don't think Auburn has the talent to run a spread offense. See Rich Rodriguez. Coaching is so over-rated. It you have better talent MOST of the times you're going to win. Tuberville has a history of saving his butt by throwing his staff under the bus.

BTW: Don't sleep on Vandy they aren't that bad.

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Originally posted 10:33 AM ET  10.09 by SoFlaBoy

KingFootball,Be careful my friend. Fans in the SEC don't play to win SEC East or SEC West championships. You failed to mention how many SEC championship Tuberville has won. Which has to be won before you can even play for a NCAA championship. Auburn has had much better talent than Bama and has won ONE SEC championship game over the last 10 years.And you ask how dumb am I? Short anwser, not as dumb as you are.

I stopped reading after your second sentence. Fans don't play in the SEC or any conference for that matter. Sadly it is people like you that think they do.

My point is that he has one of top 5 highest winning percentages of any coach since 2000. Tuberville isn't the problem at all. He is very well respected throughout the country.

Auburn was picked to win the SEC West this year. The offense is ranked 104th nationally. The defense is ranked in the top 10. What would you do? It all rolls downhill.

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Originally posted 10:55 AM ET  10.09 by KingFootball

I stopped reading after your second sentence. Fans don't play in the SEC or any conference for that matter. Sadly it is people like you that think they do.My point is that he has one of top 5 highest winning percentages of any coach since 2000. Tuberville isn't the problem at all. He is very well respected throughout the country.

They don't pay him $2.6 million a year to win the Chick-Fil-A Bowl..