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I think Bill is in way over his head.

Maybe they can bring in Tony Franklin? I hear he's available now, and knows how to run a spread offense.

oh here we go. a team that has had a couple of good years, now expects it. sorry fellas, you have had your 15, now go away!!!

This is stupid. The guy is bring in an entirely different style of offense. He had alot of success at Wake Forrest but it takes time. Pat White can throw, but he can't throw it, run out and catch it as well. It takes time to move from a spread offense that is run oriented to a spread offense that throws the ball. WVU fans are acting like idiots if they are complaining right now. I grew up in WVU for 18 years. I remember Nehlen and then Rodriguez. Everyone complained initially with RR as well. It takes time to get YOUR players in to run YOUR offense. Look at Michigan right now (not a dig, just a comment).

There is nothing wrong with Bill Stewart or anyone else. Remember that Stewart led a WVU team that dismantled arguably the best team in the country last year in Oklahoma. But you have to give Bill atleast 3 years for his new staff to recruit the players they need to run this offense. Was Bill a quick triggered hire? Yes, he was. Does that mean he will fail? We have to give him time. Alot of teams have been shocked this year. Not just WVU. Remeber USC losing? Does this mean Pete Carrol now can't coach? No. College football is becoming more and more even each year. Big time recruits are going to other schools because they can start sooner. WVU is still the best team in the Big East. I don't care what the records say. Until a Big East team takes the crown, WVU still owns it.

You can have Rich Rod back after that performance against Toledo.

I have to laugh, andy from Tennessee talking smack about WVU. Is talking trash about another team going to make the rest of us forget how irrelevant Tennessee has become? Perhaps you are lost - Take a right and you will find the Tennessee football team has become the joke of America message board.

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Originally posted 11:55 AM ET  10.13 by eric1973

WVU is still the best team in the Big East. I don't care what the records say.

Just what should they use to judge who is the better team than? When it comes down to it, the only thing that should matter is their record.

When you go from a micro-managing arse to a loosie-goosie nice guy, you have an intensity let down. But what is happening at WVa is the same as what's happening at Michigan. Neither is running a scheme that fits their current players' skillsets. Trying to make Pat White a "passing QB" is idiotic. I get it...Stewart's trying to help the kid get a shot at playing on Sundays....but that is not going to happen as a QB.

Ryan,

My comment was that the major players in the Big East have not played each other. The competition has been different so there is nothing to base who the true best team is. WVU has looked flat at times but so has every other team in the Big East. WVU has consistently beaten the opposition in their conference regardless of the play outside of conference. That is why they are still the team to beat.

the only person to really be blamed for the offense is the OC. mullen has over and over shown that he is either to scared to call big plays or doesnt really know how to run an offense. i know this is his first year of calling the plays full time, but if he really had any football smarts and knew how to adjust his game plan, this past saturday should have been the week he would have shown it. SU was playing a defense that had no free safty and was in man to man all day. we had a mismatch on the outside with a 6'8 wideout against a 5'10 corner. anyone with a brain would have thrown a few fade patterns to him to pull them out of it. they had all 11 players within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. its as simple as that. he doesnt know how to call plays.

Hey Jameswv, then why aren't you the coordinator?

The OC is from Wake Forrest. Remember them? One of the biggest offensive turn arounds recently. But it takes time to develop your offense. It won't happen in his first season. Probably not for atleast 3 years.

You are speaking of Jalloh right? 6'8" if I remember correctly. He's not that great of a receiver either. You would think someone that tall, if he was any good, wouldn't be low on the list as a junior. Give the team time to get the new recruits in. Stop bustin their tails till they get established.

see eric, you should know what you are talking about. mullen was never the OC at wake. he never had to call plays on a full time basis. all he had to do was coach a position. and as for the 6'8 wideout, it is wes lyons. he is a very good reciever, but they dont use him at all. all of his catches have been for 5 to 10 yard stop patterns. if you throw the ball up, he can go get it, they just dont use him or the other options very well. as for the recruiting part, he has what he needs. it only takes 3 or so years if you have completely changed the offense. something like going from an i-formation type offense to a completely spread offense. that takes time. but we havent change that part, we are still a spread offense as before and they have the athelets already for it. he just isnt using them right.

It will be interesting to see the direction of this program after Pat White leaves. Hoopie nation was expecting the highly regarded Taj Boyd to step into the QB shoes or at least follow Jarrett Brown. Now Boyd decommits and there are rumbles of other top commits following.

As a Pitt fan, I have alot of respect for Pat White and what he has meant to that program and the Big East.

The problem at WVU is larger than the OC. The fact is, they just don't have very many talented football players. Even their most recognizable player, Pat White, is grossly overrated. They're not even the best team in the Big East, sorry eric1973. USF has owned them.

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Originally posted 06:27 PM ET  10.13 by eyesWIDEopen

The problem at WVU is larger than the OC. The fact is, they just don't have very many talented football players. Even their most recognizable player, Pat White, is grossly overrated. They're not even the best team in the Big East, sorry eric1973. USF has owned them.

You must have been out of the country last week when LeSean McCoy rammed 143 yards and two TDs down the Bulls throats at home on national TV.

Also, calling a player that is the main reason a team you call "not very talented" came to within a whisker of playing for a national championship as grossly overrated shows just how little you know about college football.

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Originally posted 07:32 PM ET  10.13 by Last Call

You must have been out of the country last week when LeSean McCoy rammed 143 yards and two TDs down the Bulls throats at home on national TV.Also, calling a player that is the main reason a team you call "not very talented" came to within a whisker of playing for a national championship as grossly overrated shows just how little you know about college football.

I wasn't out of the country. WVU won this year, I was more referring to the last few years, but your point there is taken.

"...within a whisker..." is exactly what I'm talking about. That's as good as WVU will ever be, and they won't be that good again for a while. I should have clarified what I meant by not "very many talented football players." I meant compared to top-tier programs. Call it what you want, but WVU is not a top-tier program. A top-tier program is one that your coach doesn't leave for a better one.

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Originally posted 09:19 PM ET  10.13 by eyesWIDEopen

I wasn't out of the country. WVU won this year, I was more referring to the last few years, but your point there is taken. "...within a whisker..." is exactly what I'm talking about. That's as good as WVU will ever be, and they won't be that good again for a while. I should have clarified what I meant by not "very many talented football players." I meant compared to top-tier programs. Call it what you want, but WVU is not a top-tier program. A top-tier program is one that your coach doesn't leave for a better one.

I agree. WVU peaked as a team the last few years. The main driving force behind their success was Pat White. I concur that it is doubtful that they will get another chance at competing for a national championship again any time soon.

I wouldn't call WVU a top tier program either, but they have had a top tier team the last few years. They wiped out a terrific Oklahoma team in a bowl game last year and beat a tough Georgia squad in a bowl the year before.

This is the last time I defend our hated rival, but I do have respect for Pat White and his accomplishments at the college level. The young man has produced since taking over as a freshman and has beaten some quality teams along the way.

BTW...I would love nothing more than for FSU to win every game. I want Bobby Bowden to leave the game with the all time wins record.

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Originally posted 10:40 PM ET  10.13 by Last Call

I agree. WVU peaked as a team the last few years. The main driving force behind their success was Pat White. I concur that it is doubtful that they will get another chance at competing for a national championship again any time soon. I wouldn't call WVU a top tier program either, but they have had a top tier team the last few years. They wiped out a terrific Oklahoma team in a bowl game last year and beat a tough Georgia squad in a bowl the year before. This is the last time I defend our hated rival, but I do have respect for Pat White and his accomplishments at the college level. The young man has produced since taking over as a freshman and has beaten some quality teams along the way. BTW...I would love nothing more than for FSU to win every game. I want Bobby Bowden to leave the game with the all time wins record.

Thank you hated rival.

I don't think anyone can call Pat White "grossly overrated" the last few years. Look at his performance the last 3 bowl games that WVU has had.

Where WVU goes from here, and worse yet after Pat is gone, I just don't know at this point. I'm going to go throw up now thinking about it

I enjoy how everyone thinks Pat White is overrated, but if he were on the FSU team he would be great...guaranteed. Also might help FSU to find more wins.

This is an RR offense. They are built to RUN from the spread, not throw. That trickles down not only from the WR's you recruit, but even to the O-line. If they want to throw alot, then they will need new recruits. WVU WILL BE AFFECTED IN RECRUITING. Atleast for the 1st year. They got Doc recruiting now and that helps them some. The problem is that more and more recruits are going to smaller schools and starting sooner. That is why college football is becoming more level and the once great teams like Miami, FSU, etc. are starting to have more losses in their columns.

WVU is still the best team in the Big East talent wise from top to bottom. USF has beaten WVU when Pat White has missed time. And RR's problem is that he is so proud of his offense that he personally caused WVU to lose to Pitt. If he had lined up in a simple I formation with Schmidt and Slaton (spelled by Devine) and powered the ball a little bit to help wear down the Pitt defense, WVU would have won that game. But alas, coulda, woulda, shoulda, didn't.

WVU will never be a top-tier team and neither will any team in the Big East. The locations just aren't right to see that type of talent there. People would rather play down south in the SEC or the Big 12 were the national media coverage is greater because the exposure for the individual players is higher. Sometimes that is good, sometimes bad.

Oh well. Atelast they won some bowl games....better than they did with Nehlen.

WVUGradinHoboken: You all can have RichRod back if you think it would help...no, really.