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Is anyone on the Dallas end hearing the Kitna / Williams for Flozell Adams and draft pick trade?

I would certainly welcome this!

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Originally posted 07:52 AM ET  10.14 by biminator

Is anyone on the Dallas end hearing the Kitna / Williams for Flozell Adams and draft pick trade?I would certainly welcome this!

I heard about that. And I pray Dallas doesn't do this. First, Kitna is "hurt" and it would take awhile for him to get adjusting to the system. Second, it's Jon Kitna. Third, I heard the Lions also want a high draft pick. Fourth, it's Jon Kitna.

If he can't improve on his states because 1.) he plays on a lousy team, or 2.) He REALLY isn't as good as we thought he would be...... could be a problem for the Lions. You seriously need to work on this guys stats in order to dump him in the off-season.

i don't know anything about football, but Dallas needs to do something. Crayton obviously does not strike fear into anyone. the passing game is pretty much Ownes and Witten. All other plays are broken plays.

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Originally posted 08:16 AM ET  10.14 by ME DUM DUM

i don't know anything about football, but Dallas needs to do something. Crayton obviously does not strike fear into anyone. the passing game is pretty much Ownes and Witten. All other plays are broken plays.

The Cowboys crew of receivers are fine. It's just their plays are getting monotonous and easy to read. They need to expand their offensive plays. They need more short passes. They have taken the short passes out of their arsenal. They need to mix and match their game plan.

Flozell Adams??? He has more value to the Cowboys than he does to anybody else...Lot of miles on him, not the kind of guy a rebuilding team would be interested in. Big contract besides. Someone is letting those defensive lineman get to Romo so much.

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Originally posted 08:16 AM ET  10.14 by ME DUM DUM

i don't know anything about football, but Dallas needs to do something. Crayton obviously does not strike fear into anyone. the passing game is pretty much Ownes and Witten. All other plays are broken plays.

Not too many #2 WRs strike fear into anyone. They just need to compliment the #1 WR. And in all honesty, Witten can be considered the #2 option as far as passing is concerned. The Cowboys "should" be fine. For as bad as the Cowboys offense as been, Romo still throws for over 300 yards and 3TDs a game almost. The defense/secondary needs work..

thanks for the replys. I agree that the D is the key. no matter how good or bad the "O" is playing the D has to do the job and they aren't. they simply can not hold a team.

My question is, did the play in the photo draw a face-mask call?

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Originally posted 07:55 AM ET  10.14 by jj730

I heard about that. And I pray Dallas doesn't do this. First, Kitna is "hurt" and it would take awhile for him to get adjusting to the system. Second, it's Jon Kitna. Third, I heard the Lions also want a high draft pick. Fourth, it's Jon Kitna.

I'm not so sure Kitna is actually "hurt" as much as "has too much pride to get benched" or "being shopped around the league so he better NOT get hurt".

As far as Adams not being valuable, I disagree. The Lions Line needs to get younger and more talent. With that, you will need veteran leadership to teach the young guys the right way to do it. Also, if you really do get a first rounder with him, then he turns into two offensive linemen. Lions need an O-line more than anything else. I hope our new GM makes the identity of the teams the lines.

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Originally posted 08:53 AM ET  10.14 by biminator

I'm not so sure Kitna is actually "hurt" as much as "has too much pride to get benched" or "being shopped around the league so he better NOT get hurt".As far as Adams not being valuable, I disagree. The Lions Line needs to get younger and more talent. With that, you will need veteran leadership to teach the young guys the right way to do it. Also, if you really do get a first rounder with him, then he turns into two offensive linemen. Lions need an O-line more than anything else. I hope our new GM makes the identity of the teams the lines.

Good points. But I still don't see this happening. Adams is one of "Jerry Jones's guys". And he just signed him to a nice contract to ensure he retires a Cowboy. Now, if the Lions want one of the Cowboys younger o-line man, Patrick Crayton, and a draft pick(2nd or 3rd) for Roy Williams by himself, that might happen..

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Originally posted 08:39 AM ET  10.14 by jj730

Not too many #2 WRs strike fear into anyone. They just need to compliment the #1 WR. And in all honesty, Witten can be considered the #2 option as far as passing is concerned. The Cowboys "should" be fine. For as bad as the Cowboys offense as been, Romo still throws for over 300 yards and 3TDs a game almost. The defense/secondary needs work..

JJ

Finally you are seeing what I'm seeing. The secondary always sucked ever since Darren Woodson retired. Secondary gives too many first downs for the 3rd and long. They need to tighten up on the receivers so that the front 4 would have time to get to the QB. The secondaries make it too easy for the opposing QBs to pick them apart. Maybe they can learn on how other teams shuts down T.O. T.O. is always covered on a tight man to man coverage that's why he can't really get off and get really frustrated.

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Originally posted 09:02 AM ET  10.14 by Guam Baller

JJFinally you are seeing what I'm seeing. The secondary always sucked ever since Darren Woodson retired. Secondary gives too many first downs for the 3rd and long. They need to tighten up on the receivers so that the front 4 would have time to get to the QB. The secondaries make it too easy for the opposing QBs to pick them apart. Maybe they can learn on how other teams shuts down T.O. T.O. is always covered on a tight man to man coverage that's why he can't really get off and get really frustrated.

I'm lost as to way the secondary isn't better. I don't know if it's the scheme or the players not executing. But I did notice, on 3rd downs, they didn't press Fitzgerald like they should have. You have to get in his face, and be physical. If you get beat, you get beat. But don't play scared. That's why you have "safeties" who are supposed to be back there in case you get beat. I don't know too much about Brian Stewart, but I'm not too much of a fan of him or Dave Campo. If you give D. Ware and the d-line time, they will get to the QB. But playing 4-5 yards off a WR, is not going to help..

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Originally posted 09:15 AM ET  10.14 by jj730

I'm lost as to way the secondary isn't better. I don't know if it's the scheme or the players not executing. But I did notice, on 3rd downs, they didn't press Fitzgerald like they should have. You have to get in his face, and be physical. If you get beat, you get beat. But don't play scared. That's why you have "safeties" who are supposed to be back there in case you get beat. I don't know too much about Brian Stewart, but I'm not too much of a fan of him or Dave Campo. If you give D. Ware and the d-line time, they will get to the QB. But playing 4-5 yards off a WR, is not going to help..

Yuuup. I've always seen it that way. Some times they give 10 yards or more and that is way too much space. Like what you said, there are safeties to help you out. I'm always screaming at the TV when I see that. Why can't they see that. It's always the secondaries. If they tighten up then the front 4 will have a field day at the QB. Their defense will be much better. They just need to fix the secondaries coverage. What's funny is they have 6-8 players out there in the secondaries and they are not covering anybody. You always see the receiver catching the ball and then you see 3-4 guys swarming the receiver. It's crazy. They need to fix that.

"Lions aren't planning to trade Williams"

Lions don't plan .... so ..... he will be traded! :-)

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Originally posted 08:39 AM ET  10.14 by jj730

Not too many #2 WRs strike fear into anyone. They just need to compliment the #1 WR. And in all honesty, Witten can be considered the #2 option as far as passing is concerned. The Cowboys "should" be fine. For as bad as the Cowboys offense as been, Romo still throws for over 300 yards and 3TDs a game almost. The defense/secondary needs work..

crayton is not good enough...period....he drops too many balls...now you all see the talent of terry glenn....crayton does not stretch the defense like glenn does...now..TO doesnt hve the room to operate in his comfort zone..they need more talent on the outside...cause right now defenses are rolling a safety to TO's side and bringing the other one up..

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Originally posted 09:53 AM ET  10.14 by Katt Bone

crayton is not good enough...period....he drops too many balls...now you all see the talent of terry glenn....crayton does not stretch the defense like glenn does...now..TO doesnt hve the room to operate in his comfort zone..they need more talent on the outside...cause right now defenses are rolling a safety to TO's side and bringing the other one up..

That argument would be valid if Dallas didn't put up insane numbers last year with Crayton and T.O. Garrett needs to switch up his play calling a little bit.

Although I could see going down is Williams for a draft pick or young O-line man to the NFC East,
The most likely trade is Kitna to 49ers for a mid round draft pick.

You don't normally put a QB in a new system mid season, but Kitna would be returning to the system he actually did well in (and would have a better line and run game). It would be a win for both sides.

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Originally posted 11:01 AM ET  10.14 by biminator

Although I could see going down is Williams for a draft pick or young O-line man to the NFC East,The most likely trade is Kitna to 49ers for a mid round draft pick. You don't normally put a QB in a new system mid season, but Kitna would be returning to the system he actually did well in (and would have a better line and run game). It would be a win for both sides.

Well, I read this morning that Kitna will be going on the IR. So he'll probably work some type of injury settlement and find a team. Pats? 49ers? Back to the Bengals?