FanNation - The Republic of Sport

Tex should stop acting like a man-****. He sure gets around. He's danced with every girl at the party. Hurry up and decide which one to take home and nail!

I would take my time too to decide between more money or more money..either way he will get more money.

most of these deals aren't going to happen to dec/jan/feb. i don't know why every one thinks that Tex is the answer to every quesetion... he must do something right in the owners box, or club house...

Why Colorado wants to trade him and not sign Holliday is mystery to me.

QUOTE(#4):

Originally posted 07:37 AM ET  10.23 by Hank Hill

Why Colorado wants to trade him and not sign Holliday is mystery to me.

Because Holliday has Boras for an agent.. he's probably going to be asking for more than the Rockies can afford to pay (or are willing to pay). And the Yankees or another large market team will pay what he's asking or very close to it. I'm sure the Rockies would love to keep him if they could get him at a price below what he's gonna be worth on the market.

QUOTE(#1):

Originally posted 06:06 AM ET  10.23 by The J Dog

Tex should stop acting like a man-****. He sure gets around. He's danced with every girl at the party. Hurry up and decide which one to take home and nail!

If you are expecting him to sign before the WS is even over you're going to be disappointed. His agent, whichever parasite it is, will want to see some other lesser valued FA's sign to see where the market is.

Always be wary of trading for Colorado bats. It's a whole different ballgame out there with the humidor balls and the way the hits carry in the thin air. I would think that position players' hitting stats tend to slack off a bit when coming from Colorado, and pitching stats tend to perk up a bit when making the same move.

to poster #7: the humidor balls are heavier balls so they dont travel out of the stadium at an unrealistic rate. because of this, coors field is no longer a "launching pad". as a result coors field hitting statistics are now comparable to the rest of baseball. same for pitching stats. before the humidor, as you suggested, the hitting and pitching stats were skewed. but post-humidor stats are for all practical purposes the same as the rest of baseball. i know, i was surprised when i learned this too!

Wow no mention of last night's game but we do have 2 Sox, 1 Yankee and 1 Manny story on the threads today. Sox are going to trade for/sign everybody from now until March according to the rumors. And so are the Yankees so expect everything from Yanks ask Clemens if he can give them 4 months to Sox bring back Schilling to Yanks trade Arod for Papi and everything in between.

vinnymac,

Sorry to tell you, but all the humidor has done is to make Coors Field an outstanding hitter's park, rather than a ridiculous one. Their park factor of 109 this year was the highest in the NL, and trailed only Fenway (111) in all of MLB. Pre-humidor, yearly park factors of over 120 were not unusual in Colorado. You might also want to check Holliday's home/road splits: last year, his OPS at home was .997, on the road .892; for his career, it's 1.068 at home, .803 on the road. Detect a trend there? If you don't think playing in Colorado still has a positive impact on hitters, then think again.

Beware of pitchers from Colorado too, the humidor does funny things...

QUOTE(#7):

Originally posted 09:00 AM ET  10.23 by Atro Steals Yer Base

Always be wary of trading for Colorado bats. It's a whole different ballgame out there with the humidor balls and the way the hits carry in the thin air. I would think that position players' hitting stats tend to slack off a bit when coming from Colorado, and pitching stats tend to perk up a bit when making the same move.

i don't know.....i don't think pos. players coming from CO should have an asterisks. if a guy can hit he can hit. humidor balls, thin air whatever. i agree that the stats are a bit inflated at coors but a guy like holiday can mash. will his hrs, avg., rbi's be down a little probably but he'll still have above avg. #'s i think.

QUOTE(#12):

Originally posted 10:32 AM ET  10.23 by Al_Cheese

i don't know.....i don't think pos. players coming from CO should have an asterisks. if a guy can hit he can hit. humidor balls, thin air whatever. i agree that the stats are a bit inflated at coors but a guy like holiday can mash. will his hrs, avg., rbi's be down a little probably but he'll still have above avg. #'s i think.

Numbers probably come down a little but we aren't talking anything like cutting the totals in half. He probably loses 5 homers and maybe 15 points off his ba. He is a good player and while benefiting from the thin air in CO he still would be a good addition to a lot of teams.

QUOTE(#12):

Originally posted 10:32 AM ET  10.23 by Al_Cheese

i don't know.....i don't think pos. players coming from CO should have an asterisks. if a guy can hit he can hit. humidor balls, thin air whatever. i agree that the stats are a bit inflated at coors but a guy like holiday can mash. will his hrs, avg., rbi's be down a little probably but he'll still have above avg. #'s i think.

Well, that's pretty much what I'm saying. You just have to be aware that the stats you're looking at are somewhat inflated. And as a general response to the other posts, I agree that the "humidoring" of baseballs has done little to bring the Coors field stats back to earth.

All the Matt Holliday haters out there need to look at the splits. The kid is a star and will be a star in CO or any other team.

By Stadium AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
U.S. Cellular Field 10 0 3 1 0 0 1 2 0 3 0 0 .300 .417 .400 .817
Dodger Stadium 24 6 9 3 0 1 3 2 1 3 1 0 .375 .429 .625 1.054
PNC Park 11 3 3 0 0 1 3 3 0 3 0 0 .273 .429 .545 .974
Dolphin Stadium 15 6 7 1 0 3 3 0 0 3 1 0 .467 .467 1.133 1.600
Turner Field 12 2 6 2 0 0 2 2 0 2 1 0 .500 .571 .667 1.238
Chase Field 27 3 11 2 0 1 5 1 1 3 2 0 .407 .448 .593 1.041
Coors Field 286 62 95 23 2 15 59 36 4 54 10 1 .332 .413 .584 .997
Comerica Park 11 1 5 1 0 0 1 1 1 2 0 0 .455 .538 .545 1.083
PETCO Park 31 5 6 0 0 1 1 7 0 7 6 0 .194 .342 .290 .632
Busch Stadium 10 0 1 0 0 0 0 3 0 2 0 0 .100 .308 .100 .408
Shea Stadium 9 0 1 0 0 0 0 3 0 5 0 0 .111 .333 .111 .444
AT&T Park 35 4 8 2 0 0 4 4 1 7 2 1 .229 .325 .286 .611
Miller Park 14 3 5 0 0 1 2 2 0 1 2 0 .357 .438 .571 1.009
Great American 14 3 5 0 0 0 0 2 0 3 1 0 .357 .438 .357 .795
Kauffman Stadium 10 3 4 1 0 2 3 2 0 2 0 0 .400 .500 1.100 1.600
Minute Maid Park 9 2 3 1 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 .333 .400 .444 .844

QUOTE(#15):

Originally posted 10:54 AM ET  10.23 by TheGuy03

All the Matt Holliday haters out there need to look at the splits. The kid is a star and will be a star in CO or any other team.By Stadium AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS U.S. Cellular Field 10 0 3 1 0 0 1 2 0 3 0 0 .300 .417 .400 .817 Dodger Stadium 24 6 9 3 0 1 3 2 1 3 1 0 .375 .429 .625 1.054 PNC Park 11 3 3 0 0 1 3 3 0 3 0 0 .273 .429 .545 .974 Dolphin Stadium 15 6 7 1 0 3 3 0 0 3 1 0 .467 .467 1.133 1.600 Turner Field 12 2 6 2 0 0 2 2 0 2 1 0 .500 .571 .667 1.238 Chase Field 27 3 11 2 0 1 5 1 1 3 2 0 .407 .448 .593 1.041 Coors Field 286 62 95 23 2 15 59 36 4 54 10 1 .332 .413 .584 .997 Comerica Park 11 1 5 1 0 0 1 1 1 2 0 0 .455 .538 .545 1.083 PETCO Park 31 5 6 0 0 1 1 7 0 7 6 0 .194 .342 .290 .632 Busch Stadium 10 0 1 0 0 0 0 3 0 2 0 0 .100 .308 .100 .408 Shea Stadium 9 0 1 0 0 0 0 3 0 5 0 0 .111 .333 .111 .444 AT&T Park 35 4 8 2 0 0 4 4 1 7 2 1 .229 .325 .286 .611 Miller Park 14 3 5 0 0 1 2 2 0 1 2 0 .357 .438 .571 1.009 Great American 14 3 5 0 0 0 0 2 0 3 1 0 .357 .438 .357 .795 Kauffman Stadium 10 3 4 1 0 2 3 2 0 2 0 0 .400 .500 1.100 1.600 Minute Maid Park 9 2 3 1 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 .333 .400 .444 .844

Noone is hating on Holliday...Mr. 1 comment...
They are making valid statements about the air in Colorado and the Humidor...

QUOTE(#16):

Originally posted 11:02 AM ET  10.23 by AllStarz

Noone is hating on Holliday...Mr. 1 comment...They are making valid statements about the air in Colorado and the Humidor...

I said he was a good player but that his stats are slightly inflated. Depending on where he goes to would determine his stats so if he goes to a hitters park like Texas or Boston he would be fine whereas a trip to San Diego would not do well for his stats.

QUOTE(#17):

Originally posted 11:11 AM ET  10.23 by bCColtrinari

I said he was a good player but that his stats are slightly inflated. Depending on where he goes to would determine his stats so if he goes to a hitters park like Texas or Boston he would be fine whereas a trip to San Diego would not do well for his stats.

And not for nothing, but that .400 - plus AVG in Coors field is for 81 games a year. Not so for any other stadium.

QUOTE(#11):

Originally posted 10:25 AM ET  10.23 by AllStarz

Beware of pitchers from Colorado too, the humidor does funny things...

I bought a humidor for my junk, lets just say it was the best 19.95 I ever spent!

QUOTE(#19):

Originally posted 12:09 PM ET  10.23 by The TRUTH

I bought a humidor for my junk, lets just say it was the best 19.95 I ever spent!

That is the Truth.