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He's Superman in Coors Field, but he's like Superman in close proximity to kryptonite away from home. How much are you willing to pay for a guy that's slightly above average away from Colorado? He's not gonna come cheap..........

I think I'd rather keep Ludwick instead of going after Holliday. Ludwick is just as skilled in the field, probably the same numbers as Holliday and you won't have to negotiate a big contract with him at the end of '09. Anyway, it hardly makes sense to trade an OF for an OF when your team is in need of middle infield help...

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Originally posted 09:14 AM ET  11.09 by 1chillyMNfan

I think I'd rather keep Ludwick instead of going after Holliday. Ludwick is just as skilled in the field, probably the same numbers as Holliday and you won't have to negotiate a big contract with him at the end of '09. Anyway, it hardly makes sense to trade an OF for an OF when your team is in need of middle infield help...

agree-

haven't MLB front offices realized that the vast majority
of us fans want teams to KEEP our own HOMEGROWN talent?

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Originally posted 08:08 AM ET  11.09 by Chasin' Utleys

He's Superman in Coors Field, but he's like Superman in close proximity to kryptonite away from home. How much are you willing to pay for a guy that's slightly above average away from Colorado? He's not gonna come cheap..........

He is decent away from home... expect about 90 to 100 runs and ribbys and about 20 to 25 HRs, instead of 120 to 130 runs and ribbys and 35 to 40 HRs. And he is said to play the field very competently.

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Originally posted 10:18 AM ET  11.09 by 4192jc (Don't give up!)

He is decent away from home... expect about 90 to 100 runs and ribbys and about 20 to 25 HRs, instead of 120 to 130 runs and ribbys and 35 to 40 HRs. And he is said to play the field very competently.

Decent....slighly above average, are we splitting hairs here?

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Originally posted 11:03 AM ET  11.09 by Chasin' Utleys

Decent....slighly above average, are we splitting hairs here?

yes... :)
kiss... I love you, too. (hope grossie did not see that!) Here: some more of that black sticky stuff I horked from, Rebecca. Laters.

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Originally posted 08:08 AM ET  11.09 by Chasin' Utleys

He's Superman in Coors Field, but he's like Superman in close proximity to kryptonite away from home. How much are you willing to pay for a guy that's slightly above average away from Colorado? He's not gonna come cheap..........

I agree with you...he's a great hitter, but his home/road splits are concerning. He'll be productive anywhere, but how much do you want to give up is the question.

The Cards would be much better off pursuing Peavy and Brian Fuentes to upgrade their pitching staff.

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Originally posted 11:13 AM ET  11.09 by 4192jc (Don't give up!)

yes... :) kiss... I love you, too. (hope grossie did not see that!) Here: some more of that black sticky stuff I horked from, Rebecca. Laters.

Thanks, for the horked stuff not the wet kiss.

The Cards need middle infielders and more of a pitching staff! Not outfielders! This is such a stupid deal. Why would the Cards not spend this kind of money on Peavy or something? How many games did the Cards lose last year due to soft pitching?

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Originally posted 12:06 PM ET  11.09 by DustinB

The Cards need middle infielders and more of a pitching staff! Not outfielders! This is such a stupid deal. Why would the Cards not spend this kind of money on Peavy or something? How many games did the Cards lose last year due to soft pitching?

Great first post, keep it up. I am not a Cards fan but you are right on in assessing your team's needs.

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Originally posted 09:14 AM ET  11.09 by 1chillyMNfan

I think I'd rather keep Ludwick instead of going after Holliday. Ludwick is just as skilled in the field, probably the same numbers as Holliday and you won't have to negotiate a big contract with him at the end of '09. Anyway, it hardly makes sense to trade an OF for an OF when your team is in need of middle infield help...

well said

Cardinals, cardinals, cardinals. How many bats in your lineup with 25+ home runs is it gonna take to convince you that it's not about power.... learn from the rays. I say trade for Peavy and sign Furcal and you're right back in the mix.

Why sign Holliday with a crowded outfield already? Ludwick played some great baseball this season and I really enjoyed watching him, so i'd keep him if I was the Card's. As others have said pitching and infield help are needed above outfield help.

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Originally posted 03:05 PM ET  11.09 by BravesandCards

Cardinals, cardinals, cardinals. How many bats in your lineup with 25+ home runs is it gonna take to convince you that it's not about power.... learn from the rays. I say trade for Peavy and sign Furcal and you're right back in the mix.

good point, however, Cards not in the mix for Peavy and Furcal is probably going to resign with the Dodgers, being that he loves LA.

Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb - we need pitching more than anything else. Don't spend all the money improving our strength. We need one rally good starter and several good BP pitchers. Our outfield is solid. Why trade Ludwick and more for Holliday just in time for the 20 million a year demands?

We need a really good starter too.

Why aren't the Cardinals making a play for Peavy? Ludwick and Schumacher for Peavy? Throw in Wellemeyer or somebody else, just get it done.

I agree with the fact that the Cardinals need bullpen pitching, but idk that it is as bad as everyone believes.

Chris Perez will be the closer this year, kinney will be healthy, and springer and franklin were still very good last year, as long as franklin wasnt closing.

Ludwick has a history of injuries, and last season he was unbelievably streaky.

Trade for Holliday, resign Looper, and pick up Demaso Marte (recently released by the Yankees).

The Cardinals dont need Peavy, especially if Carpenter comes back healthy and they resign Loop.

Also, Hollidays splits last year were pretty good considering he missed 20 games and played about 20 more while hurt:

Overall AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Home 286 62 95 23 2 15 59 36 4 54 10 1 .332 .413 .584 .997
Away 253 45 78 15 0 10 29 38 4 50 18 1 .308 .405 .486 .891

Pretty straight up minus the RBI totals, which can be attributed more to the players around him than Holliday himself.

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Originally posted 06:14 PM ET  11.09 by Tell it like it is

Why aren't the Cardinals making a play for Peavy? Ludwick and Schumacher for Peavy? Throw in Wellemeyer or somebody else, just get it done.

lol, because then youve traded your only legit leadoff hitter, an MVP candidate bat, and a starter who led the team in K's and ERA last season (134 K's, 3.71 ERA) for a starter who pitches every 5th game.

not to mention he got hurt last year for the second time in his throwing elbow