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The Cardinals won't be celebrating a Holliday before Thanksgiving. Or for that matter, anytime, according to general manager John Mozeliak. Mozeliak insisted Sunday that discussions involving Colorado Rockies left fielder Matt Holliday have ceased and that "nothing is imminent. That one's not happening -- at all." Irritated that details of his discussions with Rockies general manager Dan O'Dowd had leaked, Mozeliak did not deny the seriousness of the talks but took exception to momentum assigned them. Mozeliak did not discuss specifics of his talks with the Rockies. However, Cardinals right fielder Ryan Ludwick remained a central name within the talks until their apparent breakdown. Misgivings existed within some quarters of the organization about committing multiple players for Holliday, who is eligible for free agency after next season while the arbitration-eligible Ludwick will make considerably less than Holliday's $13.5 million in 2009.

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November 10, 2008  05:30 AM ET

I guess they can all go on holiday now.

November 10, 2008  05:53 AM ET

I would be careful with this boy, because he may have inflated numbers by playing in the high altitude. MLB teams need to go for youth and not some inflated chump.

November 10, 2008  06:56 AM ET

That's way too much talent for a likely one year rental - two everyday MLB outfielders, one an all-star, and our most promising young pitcher. Holliday is a Boras client. He will go to the open market after next year.

November 10, 2008  07:18 AM ET

The Cards made the right decision here. Ludwick is just too much of a good thing to give up just to get a year of Holliday. There's a good chance he would have bolted at the end of '09 anyway because it's all about the money. Sure, Holliday's numbers may be a bit better. But the one number that sticks out more than anything is the quoted 13.5 million. At least you'll get three, maybe four, more seasons from Ludwick with the same money...

November 10, 2008  08:02 AM ET

I don't think he is really that good

November 10, 2008  08:24 AM ET

YAY!!!!! Finally a smart move by the Cards front office! Work on getting what you need - not what Tony wants!

November 10, 2008  08:38 AM ET

smart move for wure...get him away from coors and he is average at best/

November 10, 2008  08:46 AM ET

duh....
give away paid in full prospects- who potentially may be
as good for a proven guy (granted) but who will break their bank

November 10, 2008  08:49 AM ET

I wish my noggin looked that nice clean shaven

November 10, 2008  08:54 AM ET

I'd shave my balls that close but I'd be wary of the itchy re-growth.

November 10, 2008  09:21 AM ET

Holliday's good, but his home-road stats are too significant to ignore. I like Ludwick, and I think he has several decent, if not 2008-esque, years left. We do have a glut in the outfield and need to use some of them to trade, but not for another outfielder. Pitching should be our top priority (perhaps we should have considered trading Ludwick in a package for Peavy?).

November 10, 2008  09:25 AM ET
QUOTE(#11):

Holliday's good, but his home-road stats are too significant to ignore. I like Ludwick, and I think he has several decent, if not 2008-esque, years left. We do have a glut in the outfield and need to use some of them to trade, but not for another outfielder. Pitching should be our top priority (perhaps we should have considered trading Ludwick in a package for Peavy?).

Yea, perhaps. Or perhaps the Cardinals can resign Chris Carpenter. Then dig up Daryl Kile for the rotation. He'd come dirt cheap.

November 10, 2008  09:29 AM ET

Morning Sunny!

November 10, 2008  09:32 AM ET

Hola

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November 10, 2008  09:54 AM ET
QUOTE(#11):

Holliday's good, but his home-road stats are too significant to ignore. I like Ludwick, and I think he has several decent, if not 2008-esque, years left. We do have a glut in the outfield and need to use some of them to trade, but not for another outfielder. Pitching should be our top priority (perhaps we should have considered trading Ludwick in a package for Peavy?).

You can't go by coors vs not at coors....because as you pointed out it is also ROAD vs HOME....which 95% of ballplayers are affected by. Everyone plays better at home.

Give me one in their prime/top notch player that played in coors
who's left that has 'tanked' elsewhere....I can't think of any

Holliday is a very good player- maybe more like a Carlos Beltran
- a guy that will be solid- but isn't carrying you over the hump-
and when you look at their eventual contract - you think you
overpaid.....but guys like him are not easy to come by

November 10, 2008  10:01 AM ET
QUOTE(#1):

I guess they can all go on holiday now.

You are suspended for your next 105 comments.

November 10, 2008  10:14 AM ET
QUOTE(#16):

Give me one in their prime/top notch player that played in coorswho's left that has 'tanked' elsewhere....

That's a loaded question. Give me one in their prime/top notch player that played in coors who's left.

November 10, 2008  10:14 AM ET

Morning, Captain, TRUTH, Atro, Babe.

 
November 10, 2008  10:16 AM ET
QUOTE(#19):

Morning, Captain, TRUTH, Atro, Babe.

Hey Slink. I'm out, at least for the morning. Just a nauseating pile of whaddayacallit on my desk today. Have a good one.

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