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I don't care for JJ, but 3 in a row, Not too Shabby!

NO CONTEST!! Cale came from an age when racing was racing, not positioning yourself for the last 10 laps of EVERY race. What Cale did took drive, guts and determination in an age where it was pedal to the floor...and safety was an afterthought. With the new cars and the aerodynamics you can sit and wait until the final laps to make a move if your engine has just a minute advantage over the rest. Like Waltrip said...Cale manhandled the car when it was all about the driver and not technology. If JJ tried to do what Cale did with the same conditions....JJ would be crying in a corner because he was a failure.

Tony Stewart, Carl Edwards,Kyle Busch, Jaun Pablo Montoya are a few that I think would be able to drive with the old timers and their rock em sock em style of driving. JJ, Jr. and Jeffy are from the new school of driver, excuse me, pardon me, can I get through here.
Sorry, FLOAT, just my opinion.

All of you'ens -- that was then ... this is now. Cannot compare the two -- totally different racing!!

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Originally posted 09:10 AM ET  11.14 by EarnTaz88

All of you'ens -- that was then ... this is now. Cannot compare the two -- totally different racing!!

Absolutely correct. Two different ages. You can throw you're hate tirade out the window Cerial....

On the other hand......has their ever been a wimpier champ? Where are the fans for JJ?????

JJ can't hold Cale's jock (to borrow a line from football fans)

In Cale's day, there was no lucky-dog, you earned your laps back by racing
There was no pit road speed limit, you ran it as hard as you could
There was no artificial reset of the points for the chase... the entire year counted not the last 10 races.
You may have had 1 college educated guy on the entire team, not a group of engineers NASA would be jealous of working on your car.
And rubbin was racing back then, not this bump someone and they park you crap.

IamRight; you nailed that one.

i agree with the above, but im thinking the quality of competition wasnt that great back then compared to this day in age (for example, qualifying 1-43 is seperated by less than a second these days, i dunno about back then)

Today Nascar has brought the competition closer together, especially with the mysterious debris cautions late in the race. In the old days werent many races won by a lap or two?

And don't forget - no 100/150 point penalties for something being out of place on NASCAR's precious ("my precioussss.....") COT. Old system/Old 25 point penalties, and JJ could be trying to make up 19 points on Carl to earn probably only his 2nd, non-consecutive championship, with his first being a 4-point squeaker over Kenseth in 2006.

Also without the chase, Kurt Busch would not have been a champion (making Hornish have to actually earn his 1st 5 starts), and everyone would instead be talking about Jeff Gordon having 6 titles, and whether this year was a fluke or an indication that he might not ever reach/surpass the record of Petty and Earnhardt. (and no, I'm definitely not a Gordon fan - I'm just sayin'.....)

I must admit I liked the old time racin' like when Carl raced more than I like the kind of racing NASCAR lets us watch now.. I liked it when the drivers drove the cars hard and didn't care who got in their way , if they were slower move them!! And pit road for a free for all, it made racing more exciting .....

OK guys NO testing for '09 it is CONFIRMED

http://www.scenedaily.com/news/articles/sprintcupseries/Crew_chiefs_say_NA SCAR_suspends_all_testing_for_2009_.html

There are definitely a lot of good points. Not a JJ fan myself but, in the style of the cars today he is better at finishing the deal. During Cale's tenure there were no restictor plates and the engine programs and cars were SIMILAR not IDENTICAL big difference! You put enought horses and acid bake the shell to lighten up the car and it'd fly like Cale, Richard, David Pearson and others. When you are hangin' it out on the other side of the line you will get bit. To them fellas finese was coming back with roof undented. Long live the last of them Harry Gant remember Mr. September winning missing a front clip, yea thats driving. That would never happen now cause the car would overheat due to no air ducts to the brakes or the driver, anyhow that's my thought.

Todays NASCAR is more of a team sport. While in Cales' day I think it was more driver ability

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Originally posted 11:20 AM ET  11.14 by BUCKGUY

Todays NASCAR is more of a team sport. While in Cales' day I think it was more driver ability

How true, many races are won today by the pit crew or the crew chief.

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Originally posted 10:14 AM ET  11.14 by jackman....!

Today Nascar has brought the competition closer together, especially with the mysterious debris cautions late in the race. In the old days werent many races won by a lap or two?

Back then, debris in the groove made it more interesting.
I'm all for the safety that has evolved in the sport, but the COT is a piece of C.R.A.P. !

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Originally posted 10:04 AM ET  11.14 by svt.

i agree with the above, but im thinking the quality of competition wasnt that great back then compared to this day in age (for example, qualifying 1-43 is seperated by less than a second these days, i dunno about back then)

That's the problem with all the rules, cookie cutter cars, but then again, technology has a lot to do with it.
Gains, years ago were slight, whatever the drivers could MacGuiver up, now we have engineers, smart computers, etc.

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Originally posted 10:39 AM ET  11.14 by Ohio

I must admit I liked the old time racin' like when Carl raced more than I like the kind of racing NASCAR lets us watch now.. I liked it when the drivers drove the cars hard and didn't care who got in their way , if they were slower move them!! And pit road for a free for all, it made racing more exciting .....

I liked the older days as well with Cale.
Pit road changes were needed because of injuries to pit crews.

NO testing for '09- Race what you brought and good luck.

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Originally posted 10:51 AM ET  11.14 by Rockyj

. Long live the last of them Harry Gant remember Mr. September winning missing a front clip, yea thats driving. That would never happen now cause the car would overheat due to no air ducts to the brakes or the driver, anyhow that's my thought.

I remember him at Darlington having to use the wall to turn when his power steering went out and his suspension was beat to hell...

Gant was one of the most overlooked drivers in history.