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Poor, poor Petite, I am shunned, my beloved Yankees do not want me, he will end up with Joe

um andy.....
you SUCKED the last half of the year &
you are not a frontline pitcher anymore

YES you were a MAJOR part of Yankee history....
but this is business. We need to address the
FRONT of the rotation first- before we start
dealing with back-end guys. This is how baseball works

So if you REALLY want to be back- sit home, enjoy the holidays
and wait....you'll get a contract from SOMEONE

He should feel shunned; he is being shunned. The Yankees need pitching and Andy is not the answer to their starting pitching woes.

The Yankees just do not need the gay steroid issued going on between him and his boyfriend. Enough said.

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Good morning Joe. Nice to see you. I have a feeling Andy will "land up" with the Dodgers also.

good morning, your catness. Did you see I hit 9500 comments twice yesterday? seems some schmuck one got a lot of TDs deleted yesterday and that meant some of my comments were deleted, too. oh well, twice is twice as nice, I reckon.

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Originally posted 09:57 AM ET  11.30 by Bond 007

The Yankees just do not need the gay steroid issued going on between him and his boyfriend. Enough said.

for you that was almost coherent, and a salient point, and sort of funny, except, you think the gay part is true.
"salient tree toads" ha ha ha..........

Sorry Andy, you were no good last year.

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Originally posted 10:04 AM ET  11.30 by Tell it like it is

Pettitte could help several teams. He still has some left in the tank.

Yes he could, but the Yanks need far more help on the mound than an aging lefty and I can easily see him getting into bed with Torre. No, not that way Bond, figuratively speaking.............

Mornin' all, just wanted to get a few posts in before I go to my son's Christening.

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Good morning Joe. Nice to see you. I have a feeling Andy will "land up" with the Dodgers also.

If he does go to the Dodgers, he'll have an ERA in the low to mid 3's and if the Yankees don't make the playoffs it won't look good.

Give Pettitte a five year contract.

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Originally posted 10:40 AM ET  11.30 by SlinkyRedfoot

If he does go to the Dodgers, he'll have an ERA in the low to mid 3's and if the Yankees don't make the playoffs it won't look good.

ah, Slink again we agree. I would add even at 4.50 Pettitte is still an effective AL East pitcher who all must acknowledge does not wilt either pitching in the Bronx or the playoffs. It comes down to cost, if Pettitte is honest that he wants to stay in the Bronx he will take a hometown discount and sign for $10 a year for 2 years. That would be a bargain for the Yankees. And odds are Pettitte's era will revert to mean and be near 4 which by the way is the same as Burnett's this year.

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Originally posted 12:17 PM ET  11.30 by trooper707

ah, Slink again we agree. I would add even at 4.50 Pettitte is still an effective AL East pitcher who all must acknowledge does not wilt either pitching in the Bronx or the playoffs. It comes down to cost, if Pettitte is honest that he wants to stay in the Bronx he will take a hometown discount and sign for $10 a year for 2 years. That would be a bargain for the Yankees. And odds are Pettitte's era will revert to mean and be near 4 which by the way is the same as Burnett's this year.

Yep. I'm surprised they haven't made an offer like that yet. Given their situation, I wouldn't even blame them if the went to $12-13M.

Typical stupid Yankees management. I am sure Pettitte is gone, he ought to go sign with the Red Sox for a couple years so he could really stick it to the Yanks. The guy has been a horse for the Yanks and they just keep treating him like dirt. They are talking about signing Derek Lowe for 5 years at $16 million a season, a guy who is all of one year younger than Andy and has virtually identical career stats. They both won 14 games last season too. Or signing AJ Burnett to a similar contract, the next Carl Pavano. If I was Pettitte I would tell the Yanks to drop dead and go play in LA. I'll bet he would win 20 games in the pitcher's league, especially in the lame NL West. Meanwhile the Sox, Rays, Orioles and Jays will beat up Lowe and Sabathia 72 times a season.

Who cares , just be a man and understand you are old and burnt out . If you end up with the Yankees its because they can not find anyone better. I know its so sad you love living in New York again and its hard to move on with kids in school and also your wife loves it again, on her little shopping trips into the city. I feel so sad for the position you are in , It just 'aint right. But you are washed up in this City , go to LA or back to Texas .What you picked up last year as salary was a freaking disgrace and highway robbery ... No wonder there is no sense of urgency to sign you .

Okay ya'll let me throw some numbers at you:

1) Andy's last 28 days for the 2008 season: 4 starts; 1W - 3 L; 22.2 IP; 4.74 ERA; 29Hits; 14 Runs; 12 ER.

2) Andy's second half in 2008: 13 starts; 4 W - 7L, 79 IP; 5.35 ERA; 96 Hits; 51 Runs; 47 ER. And, in that second half the league hit Andy at a .302 clip with a .431 SlgA.

3) Against the AL East Andy in 2008 was vs Boston: 1W - 2 L; 7.04 ERA and Boston hit .375 against Pettitte; vs Tampa Bay: 2 W - 2 L; 4.12 ERA and Tampa hit .299 against Pettitte; vs Toronto: 1 W -@ L; 5.12 ERA and Toronto hit .295 against Pettitte and then finally vs Baltimore (the only team he was successful against in the AL East), 3 W - 0 L; 1.93 ERA and Baltimore hit
only .253 against Pettitte.

So the problem is he got progressively worse as the season wore on; he basically stunk against the main competiton for the Yankees, i.e. The AL East, and he was not going deep into games as far as innings pitched, so he provided little to no relief to a beleagured bullpen.

The Yankees need pitchers who can eat innings, provide the team with a chance to always win and is successful against the AL East. Wow, just like C C Sabathia!

If Andy goes to LA and is successful, and I would expect him to be moderately succesful in the NL as opposed to being maybe dreadful in the AL, then so be it. There is an old axiom in baseball: It is better to get rid of a player a year too early than a year too late. The Yankees need to apply that lesson to their roster makeup for the 2009 season.

JC:

The thing that I think Yankees fans need to realize is that with Mussina's retirement, and Pettitte's possible defection, that's almost 30% of the 2008 Yankees' total innings walking out the door. That is a serious issue.

Serious, yes, but they should be able to address it. They will pick up a free agent or maybe two; they still have Hughes who is working the crap out of himelf and is suppsoedly in the best shape of his life and did real well in the Arizona Fall League. Joba is a possibility. And then there are trades to pursue. The fact is I don't know that Mussina would have come any where near duplicating his "fluke" 2008 season and I feel Pettite is only going to get worse. Time to sever that tie now.

Lunch, be back later.