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Rich Rod is an idiot. If I were a Michigan alum or fan, I would be calling for his head, especially after he slapped me and my fellow Wolverines in the face by telling us to "get a life."

It's a bit too early to even attempt to compare RR to Weis. If RR continues to struggle in year 3 then let's have this discussion. RR has struggled the first year of everywhere he's been and then improved. RR has a experience coaching in college. Weis never coached in college. Never had been a head coach on the NCAA or pro level. And he's still struggling after 4 years with his own players. All this talk about RR is only because sports writers have nothing else to write about.

RRod underperformed with mediocre talent while Weis underperformed with top-notch talent. Which is the greater crime?

The talent Rodriguez inherited was not the problem, as the article said those recruiting classes were highly rated. I'm by no means a RR fan but the players recruited were not compatable with the style of football he wanted to play. Nonetheless, winning only 3 games in a conference that was NOT that strong this year is inexcuseable. They could have easily been .500..

Wow, you would think the DFP were not big RR fans... every article they write bashes the guy.

You can't compare Weis and RichRod... Weis eats snacks that are bigger than RichRod's ego.

Gotta give RR's plan time to work. He can't run his spread with those guys that were recruited to run the old school Big-10 offenses. He's gotta get a chance to get some fast athletic guys in there. Then when he is running circles around the rest of the Big-10, you can all call him a god and will regret bashing him this year. Then you can start bashing him again when he bails on your school for another one.

Yeah, Lloyd recruited better than mediocre talent.

What I would be pissed about is that he didn't adapt his system to the players he had. He was completely inflexible.

RR's spread isn't going to blow up the Big 10. Penn State and Ohio State both run very good spread offenses. Illinois runs the spread too. He's a few years late for a Big 10 shake up.

And unlike the Big East where RR came from - the Big 10 knows how to play defense.

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Originally posted 08:34 AM ET  12.02 by NWPA

And unlike the Big East where RR came from - the Big 10 knows how to play defense.

Just ask the University of Florida and LSU :)

Lloyd did pretty well recruiting, R Rod just pushed some of them all away. The QB RM, the OL JB.... thoes two guys might have been the difference between 6-6 maybe 7-5.

Weis & RR do have EGO issues.

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Originally posted 08:43 AM ET  12.02 by Sexton

Lloyd did pretty well recruiting, R Rod just pushed some of them all away. The QB RM, the OL JB.... thoes two guys might have been the difference between 6-6 maybe 7-5.Weis & RR do have EGO issues.

Couldn't agree more. I can be slightly sympathetic to the argument that this wasn't a top caliber Michigan team, but at the end of the day, it was still a L. Carr recruited Michigan team.

No offense to teams like MSU and Purdue, but on paper we had much more talent. Dantonio showed he knows how to adjust to his players and get the most of them. RROD proved he isn't.

I am still willing to give RROD time, because I think he is a innovative spread coach. But its worth pointing out that there is a difference between simply a great coach, and a great "spread offense" coach. The best coaches dont need the extra adjectives thrown in, they win with what they got.

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Originally posted 08:41 AM ET  12.02 by Roney6102

Just ask the University of Florida and LSU :)

So what? LSU didn't kill us with defense...and they sure as hell didn't have any this year. I hate SEC fans because they are so full of themselves....you are just as bad as you CLAIM everyone else is. This conference thing always comes around...just don't whine in the next few years when it's all about the Big 12....

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Originally posted 08:34 AM ET  12.02 by NWPA

RR's spread isn't going to blow up the Big 10. Penn State and Ohio State both run very good spread offenses. Illinois runs the spread too. He's a few years late for a Big 10 shake up.

Not to mention the fact that Northwestern and Purdue have been doing it and hasn't won anything. Here's what's amazing to me. I hear a lot of garbage about how we play up here, and we play to what the environment gives us....I don't see any of these southern teams coming to play in the snow....they are scared. What's even more amazing is that they practically play home games during the bowl season, and then gloat about it. Miami, FSU, UF...Orange Bowl, Outback, Citrus, LSU, GEargia, UF,Texas.......Sugar Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Fiesta, USC....Rose Bowl. Play a bowl game in Ford field, Lucas Oil Stadium, the Metrodome, I will guarantee there will be whining.......OSU has lost only two BCS bowl games ever, yet we seem to be the worst thing ever? Oklahoma seems to always lose. Florida won one. LSU will get my respect, but they keep playing home games at the Sugar Bowl though.

I think UM will be fine once RRod gets his system in place, but that's just it.

Good coaches find good players for their system.

Great coaches find a great system for their players.

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Originally posted 09:19 AM ET  12.02 by nahlij1

So what? LSU didn't kill us with defense...and they sure as hell didn't have any this year. I hate SEC fans because they are so full of themselves....you are just as bad as you CLAIM everyone else is. This conference thing always comes around...just don't whine in the next few years when it's all about the Big 12....

No in both NC games the Defenses were light up by Florida's and LSU's offenses. Hint you can't play zone against the spread with spead on the outside. Just to many holes to throw into.

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Originally posted 08:31 AM ET  12.02 by IamRightYouAreWrong

Wow, you would think the DFP were not big RR fans... every article they write bashes the guy.You can't compare Weis and RichRod... Weis eats snacks that are bigger than RichRod's ego. Gotta give RR's plan time to work. He can't run his spread with those guys that were recruited to run the old school Big-10 offenses. He's gotta get a chance to get some fast athletic guys in there. Then when he is running circles around the rest of the Big-10, you can all call him a god and will regret bashing him this year. Then you can start bashing him again when he bails on your school for another one.

Wow...pass the Kool Aid please...!

Alright, the fact that anyone wants to fire Weis is stupid to begin with. The fact that people are mentioning Rodriguez next to him is even stupider. Notre Dame was awful last year and it has nothing to do with talent level. There was a mass exodus of experienced players following the (undeserved) Sugar Bowl season and he got left with a frosh QB and a very inexperienced line. I don't care how good your defense is, if your offense can't stay on the field and give them a rest, your team will suck. To not let a coach see his first recruiting class graduate is jumping the gun unless they move backwards next year. Weis still has himself a young team and next year I see them winning 9 games. There are some troubling trends because there is no excuse for blowing leads and losing to gimme teams but every coach loses games they should win. Give him time. This is virtually the same thing for Rodriguez. He needs his players and people need to give him time to put it into place. These reactionary calls for coaches to be fired after one or two subpar years is ridiculous. It takes time to build a program if you're not starting with too much.

And don't give me this garbage about recruiting rankings either, a lot of those "highly ranked classes" had a ton of defections before Carr even retired. Those classes were also devoid of safeties and linebackers, and O-lineman.

I'm a UM fan by the way. But every coach needs time.

It is time for RichRod to shut up. His big mouth has caused him more trouble than his team's performance - and that is saying something.

I am beginning to understand what some his long-time critics at WVU have been saying about him having no regard for the fans.

What has Dick Rod done that would make a recruit want to play for him in his soon to be short stint at Michigan. The argument that he will improve once he gets his players does not hold water until he actually convinces a recruit to join him. So long Dick Rod. Do not let the door hit you on the way out of town. By the way I knew this was a bad fit the moment they hired their fourth choice for the job. Time for AD Bill Martin to go too.

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Originally posted 09:24 AM ET  12.02 by nahlij1

...and we play to what the environment gives us....I don't see any of these southern teams coming to play in the snow....they are scared. What's even more amazing is that they practically play home games during the bowl season, and then gloat about it. Miami, FSU, UF...Orange Bowl, Outback, Citrus, LSU, GEargia, UF,Texas.......Sugar Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Fiesta, USC....Rose Bowl. Play a bowl game in Ford field, Lucas Oil Stadium, the Metrodome, I will guarantee there will be whining.......

While I somewhat support your case here, I wold ask that you not look like a completely uneducated NCAA fan when you post.
Ford Field = DOME
Lucas Oil = DOME
Metro-DOME = DOME

I get what you are trying to say. However, calling out southern teams to "play what the enviroment gives us" is just silly if you only list DOMES as options.

Bottom line is that during the first 9 games of the season, most field conditions are the same. Warm, sunny, occasional rain/wind. A team that plays 9 games in pretty good weather that then has to play 2-3 games in "northern" weather shouldn't be that much different when THEY travel to a warm climate for a bowl game. And what would you expect from your "northern" team playing in sunny Orlando? The same damn thing you'd expect in sunny State College in September/October!!
It is a benefit to the nothern team to play in the warm climate. Besides, as much as I love my Nittany Lions, you'd have a hard time convincing me to sit my a-s-s in a cold, snowy stadium to watch a bowl game rather than watch them in warm sunny Pasadena!!!!