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"Neither Pat nor Kevin has ever used steroids and do not warrant this kind of treatment."
That is not what they are being accused of. Is there anyone these days that takes responsibility for their own actions?? Why does everything have to end in a law suit??

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Originally posted 07:24 AM ET  12.03 by TGRFAN1

"Neither Pat nor Kevin has ever used steroids and do not warrant this kind of treatment." That is not what they are being accused of. Is there anyone these days that takes responsibility for their own actions?? Why does everything have to end in a law suit??

Because the NFL knew StarCaps had something illegal in it and ignored it and did not tell the players.

doesn't the NFLPA rules say the players are soley responsible for what goes into their bodies even if it is not on the list of ingredients of the product and the league recomends players do not take supplements and such? if it's in your body and on the list of things that will get you suspended then don't even chance it. want to lose weight, exercise and don't take 4ths on dinner only 3rds. Be a man and accept the punishment and chalk it up to lessoned learned.

But in issuing the suspensions, the league reiterated the section of its policy that reads:

"You and you alone are responsible for what goes into your body. Claiming that you used only legally available nutritional supplements will not help you in an appeal. ... Even if they are bought over-the-counter from a known establishment, there is currently no way to be sure that they contain the ingredients listed on the packaging or have not been tainted with prohibited substances ...

"If you take these products, you do so AT YOUR OWN RISK! For your own health and success in the league, we strongly encourage you to avoid the use of supplements altogether, or at the very least to be extremely careful about what you choose to take."

The NFL also said it sent two notifications about StarCaps on Dec. 19, 2006 -- one to NFL club presidents, general managers and head athletic trainers and the second to NFLPA executive Stacy Robinson, who oversees the steroid policy for the union. That letter, according to the league, advised that StarCaps had been added to the list of prohibited dietary supplement companies.

Seems pretty cut and dry to me.....

I'm a huge Vikings fan and would hate to see these guys suspended but a list of any and all safe products are given to all players. The league advises these guys if something isn't on the list, do not take them Star Caps is NOT on this list and therefore these guys should not have risked using them.

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Originally posted 07:50 AM ET  12.03 by Vikingfan

I'm a huge Vikings fan and would hate to see these guys suspended but a list of any and all safe products are given to all players. The league advises these guys if something isn't on the list, do not take them Star Caps is NOT on this list and therefore these guys should not have risked using them.

the league sent out notices and if it did not make it's way to the players then their teams front office is to blame. these guys know add on's to the list happen all the time, but you take things at your own risk their rules even say so.

The diuretic they took was placed on the banned list in 2006. Notice was sent to each team AND to the Players Association.......If they want to sue, they need to sue their own team and their Union...Or the college they graduated from for allowing them to spend four years there and still be stupid...End of story...
how odd that the use of the banned steroid masking substance was prominent on certain teams. That is not an anomality. Players talk and share information. These guys knew....Think about it. Logically the players who were caught using the diuretic should have been from different teams. Random users if you would.....

vaughn9....Agree with you 100%

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Originally posted 07:50 AM ET  12.03 by Vikingfan

I'm a huge Vikings fan and would hate to see these guys suspended but a list of any and all safe products are given to all players. The league advises these guys if something isn't on the list, do not take them Star Caps is NOT on this list and therefore these guys should not have risked using them.

You are wrong.....They have been on the list since 2006...

"The NFL also said it sent two notifications about StarCaps on Dec. 19, 2006 -- one to NFL club presidents, general managers and head athletic trainers and the second to NFLPA executive Stacy Robinson, who oversees the steroid policy for the union. That letter, according to the league, advised that StarCaps had been added to the list of prohibited dietary supplement companies."

From ESPN.............

Not only that, but come on. All these players have to do is alert the trainers & doctors that they are going to be taking a certain medication for whatever purpose. The trainers and doctors will then have it tested and checked to ensure it's saftey and legality. No problem.

These players have every opportunity at their finger tips to protect themselves and their body's. They are athletes for goodness sakes and know that any chemical they put in their body's will affect them in some way. I don't feel sorry for any of them at all. Should have taken it to the team to have it tested.

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Originally posted 08:13 AM ET  12.03 by 50yearfan

"The NFL also said it sent two notifications about StarCaps on Dec. 19, 2006 -- one to NFL club presidents, general managers and head athletic trainers and the second to NFLPA executive Stacy Robinson, who oversees the steroid policy for the union. That letter, according to the league, advised that StarCaps had been added to the list of prohibited dietary supplement companies."From ESPN.............

That, and the policy stated by the league that anything you put in your body is solely your responsibility even if certain ingredients aren't listed on the packaging... that's clear english... I don't believe they have a leg to stand on... Besides, it's up to the owners to protect their investments... why didn't they make sure the word was passed on to the players?

Hate this 'Rules are rules' mentality. Noone even cares if this provided no real competitive advantage or serious health risk?

What Da Bloodclott!!...The lawyers have to know they cannot win. They must have been hired to delay the suspension so the players can finish out this year....

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Originally posted 08:26 AM ET  12.03 by sjptrack

Hate this 'Rules are rules' mentality. Noone even cares if this provided no real competitive advantage or serious health risk?

sjptrack

That is why it is banned. It masks the use of steroids so you cannot tell if someone is using them or not...it is called Doping......

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Originally posted 07:24 AM ET  12.03 by TGRFAN1

Why does everything have to end in a law suit??

Probably because no one ever pleads guilty. The US justice system is the best in the world, but it is so strange. The pleadings are very interesting. I don't have the stats but it appears that 99.9% of people plead "innocent of all charges" and leave it to the courts to decide - this is what bogs down the system and ends up costing the tax payers so much money - frivolous law suits.

Then you have a guy like Vick who decided to pleade guilty hoping to get a reduced sentence. So here is a guy who is actually admitting guilt to something expecting sypathy from a judge? I guees the thought is that no one ever pleads guilty so lets give this guy a break for admitting it and speeding up the process. Just seems weird.

The bigger question to me is why do we still have unions in America? they seem un-American. Back in the day they served a purpose but all they do now is drive up costs. An athlete making at least $1MM per year should be able to manage his work life just like us schmucks pulling in less than $100k per year.

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Originally posted 08:29 AM ET  12.03 by 50yearfan

It masks the use of steroids so you cannot tell if someone is using them or not...it is called Doping......

That's one use.

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Originally posted 08:32 AM ET  12.03 by ME DUM DUM

Probably because no one ever pleads guilty. The US justice system is the best in the world, but it is so strange. The pleadings are very interesting. I don't have the stats but it appears that 99.9% of people plead "innocent of all charges" and leave it to the courts to decide - this is what bogs down the system and ends up costing the tax payers so much money - frivolous law suits.Then you have a guy like Vick who decided to pleade guilty hoping to get a reduced sentence. So here is a guy who is actually admitting guilt to something expecting sypathy from a judge? I guees the thought is that no one ever pleads guilty so lets give this guy a break for admitting it and speeding up the process. Just seems weird.The bigger question to me is why do we still have unions in America? they seem un-American. Back in the day they served a purpose but all they do now is drive up costs. An athlete making at least $1MM per year should be able to manage his work life just like us schmucks pulling in less than $100k per year.

What's more wrong?

You saying America has the best justice system or your "99.9%"?