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Cavs, Heat discussing Marion trade?

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As the Cleveland Cavaliers relentlessly try to accumulate talent to surround MVP favorite LeBron James, the unending question is this: Do they dare mess with a franchise on a collision course with the Boston Celtics in the Eastern Conference finals? The Cavaliers have had ongoing discussions with the Miami Heat about an Anderson Varejao and Wally Szczerbiak for Shawn Marion trade, a league executive familiar with the discussions said. So, here is what the Cavs are asking themselves now: Do we dare?

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December 16, 2008  08:39 AM ET

dare Marion would be agreat complement to Lebron

December 16, 2008  08:47 AM ET

This trade could actuall go both ways, it could make or break the Cavs

December 16, 2008  08:48 AM ET

This would be a great trade for Cleveland. If they want any chance to beat the Celtics, pull the trigger on the deal.

December 16, 2008  08:50 AM ET

Marion could be. However, at this point in time do you really want to tinker with a team that is 20-4? It could totally mess with the Cavs chemsitry and derail their season. As good as the Cavs have been and the way LBJ is playing I guess it all comes down to do they believe they have what it takes to get past the Celtics in the East?

December 16, 2008  08:56 AM ET

Wow. Why even ask the question? Marion can't give you anything that you don't have right now. You need a low post player and not a player who does not have any offense. Marion is a smaller version of Ben Wallace. He is an energy guy that can run and get on the glass to get some rebounds. He does not have an offense. If he could post up then that would be fine but he does not do that. He has a push shot, not a jump shot, but still not consistent. Don't mess w/ the chemistry right now unless you get back Carlos Boozer or Al Jefferson.

December 16, 2008  09:31 AM ET

Bad idea. Marion wasn't happy with the Suns because Amare and Nash were "The Guys". Does anyone think that Marion has a chance to be "the guy" in Cavs land?

And I am not convinced that the Heat needs this trade. And last time I checked, the Cavs are not a run and gun team. This trade theory is ridiculous.

December 16, 2008  09:31 AM ET

It would help my heat we would lose Marion who is a liability who is holding beasley back. In return we would get a great shooter in wally & a defensive skilled young big man in Verejou.
Put pen to paper and get it done Riley Coyote!

December 16, 2008  09:34 AM ET
QUOTE(#5):

Wow. Why even ask the question? Marion can't give you anything that you don't have right now. You need a low post player and not a player who does not have any offense. Marion is a smaller version of Ben Wallace. He is an energy guy that can run and get on the glass to get some rebounds. He does not have an offense. If he could post up then that would be fine but he does not do that. He has a push shot, not a jump shot, but still not consistent. Don't mess w/ the chemistry right now unless you get back Carlos Boozer or Al Jefferson.

I'm totally with you on this. Marion is definitely not answer and given that the Cavs have never been this good I'd ride it out and see how far it goes.

On the flip side they can make the trade for Marion and if it doesn't work out Boozer will be theirs to loose

cos
1. Marions's contract expires at the end of the season
2. Milsap can spell boozer
3. Utah cannot afford to keep AK47, D-Will, OKur & Milsap.

Boozer is the odd man out. If the trade goes down the Cavs will have enough cap space to sign a decent big man next season and make it hard for LBJ to bolt.

December 16, 2008  09:34 AM ET

'holding beasley back' lol, beasleys holding himself back trust me. wally is whack and varejao is a flopping joke. this trade isnt happening just some great yahoo sports journalism.

December 16, 2008  09:35 AM ET
QUOTE(#6):

Bad idea. Marion wasn't happy with the Suns because Amare and Nash were "The Guys". Does anyone think that Marion has a chance to be "the guy" in Cavs land?And I am not convinced that the Heat needs this trade. And last time I checked, the Cavs are not a run and gun team. This trade theory is ridiculous.

I thought he had so much talent in Phoenix, but he went into a funk. He disappeared in the playoffs and I am not sure of what he is doing in Miami. I agree, why would the Cavs need this?

December 16, 2008  09:38 AM ET
QUOTE(#7):

It would help my heat we would lose Marion who is a liability who is holding beasley back. In return we would get a great shooter in wally & a defensive skilled young big man in Verejou.Put pen to paper and get it done Riley Coyote!

Your Heat are terrible and adding Wally and Anderson will not do anything to make your team decent. By the way the only thing holding Beasley back is Beasley. He's just lazy.

December 16, 2008  09:42 AM ET
QUOTE(#5):

Wow. Why even ask the question? Marion can't give you anything that you don't have right now. You need a low post player and not a player who does not have any offense. Marion is a smaller version of Ben Wallace. He is an energy guy that can run and get on the glass to get some rebounds. He does not have an offense. If he could post up then that would be fine but he does not do that. He has a push shot, not a jump shot, but still not consistent. Don't mess w/ the chemistry right now unless you get back Carlos Boozer or Al Jefferson.

As much as I hate that ugly shot, he shoots it at a high percentage. Over the two guys mentioned as trade bait he would be a noticeable upgrade to overall defense and probably on offense too. He does have an issue with creating his own offense, but that would not be his job in Cleveland as Lebron has proven to be a very good distributor. I think the biggest concern is obviously chemistry and desire since Marion never seems happy anymore. The other concern is that they would lose some mass in Varejeo and they might miss that as they have all finesse bigs.

December 16, 2008  09:51 AM ET

Either this trade or Marion for Brad Miller & a scrub we dont need.
We keep Brad and trade the scrub.
starting lineup: Super Mario, Wade, Beasley, Haslem and Brad Miller
2nd unit: Quinn, Cooky boi, Diawara, Joel Anthony and Blunt(until mourning comes back)

December 16, 2008  09:56 AM ET

Sounds like a good trade for cavs for sure; Marion is by far superior to either of cavs mentioned in the trade.
Question is why the hell heat would consider it?? What r they getting out of this, nothing but one decent role player rebounder in varejo. Wally is a chucker with no D, that they already had once upon a time with Damon Jones. Not a good trade for Heat.
Heat really should trade marion for a decent role player plus a high draft pick.

December 16, 2008  09:57 AM ET

This should be a no-brainer. If the Heat will give up the Matrix, for Varejao and Szczerbiak the Cavs should have pulled the trigger immediately. Marion is one of the leagues best perimeter defenders, and even when he wasn't happy in Phoenix, he never gave less than 100%. Szczerbiak has never lived up to expectations, and Varejao is a good energy guy, but lacks the skill set to be a difference-maker.

December 16, 2008  09:58 AM ET

Dare??? What's the question??? it would totally put cleveland up there with boston..much better outside d....marion vs. the truth, or vs. ray allen...marion could lock those guys down or at least make them work more than wally sczerkfasfjd;lk does....varejo(sp) is a good energy guy, but he's not going to do anything vs. kg or any other big the celtics have...

December 16, 2008  10:07 AM ET

You guys are still waiting on Mourning? Somebody has to move on here...

On the other hand the Cavs dont need Marion. What does he bring to the table that we dont already have? He isn't GREAT at anything. Varajao is a decent defender - Marion is a step better, but he lacks the size - and Wally is a dependable shooter - who lacks anything else. I like his hustle and his basketball skills...but what he does could be handled with solid coaching. Looks like this year we have that component.

Bottom line: with Marion we are no closer than we are without him

December 16, 2008  10:07 AM ET

If the cavs have the guts to do this my heat should keep Verejao and waive Wally.

December 16, 2008  10:24 AM ET

To me the biggest question is chemistry. Where would Marion fit in? Would he expect to be the second option, or third behind Mo Williams or Delonte West? Does everyone know and accept their roles on the team at this point? If so, leave it alone since they are 20-4. This is actually a tricky one to me but in the end, I guess I'd pull the trigger on the deal.

 
December 16, 2008  10:25 AM ET

Ferry, if it is not broke, why fix it?

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