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I think Boras is running a bit of a Ponzi scheme here.

He put Tex up on the block first, which screwed Manny. So now he's trying to squeeze Manny back into LA, which will screw Jones. And when he finds a place for Jones, he'll be screwing an entire team.

How are they going to save that money? Whoever takes him, if they take him, is not going to pay that money. The Dodgers still pay, at least a lot of it.

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Originally posted 08:32 AM ET  01.02 by Yankee64

I think Boras is running a bit of a Ponzi scheme here.He put Tex up on the block first, which screwed Manny. So now he's trying to squeeze Manny back into LA, which will screw Jones. And when he finds a place for Jones, he'll be screwing an entire team.

You're touching on something here that I'm surprised more MLB players don't pick up on with Boros.

Frankly, if I'm ManRam I would be wondering just **** this guy has been doing to get me the titanic contract I hired him to get for me. I'm sure that Boros has tons of reports and graphs and guys walking around the office in lab coats and Coke bottle glasses poring over every little thing, but I'm betting Manny cares little about Texiera and a whole lot about what donk Manny intends to get next and who's paying for it.

Boros is a great agent, but not a great agent for every player. If I were hiring him I would be paying him to prioritize ME, not the other guys in his stable...ME!

Take note Mr Ramirez, your agent has been chumping you out while he worked the biz of one of his other guys and as of today, with those rumored heavier taxes coming in '09, you are still unemployed....

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Originally posted 09:25 AM ET  01.02 by TeksMissingPower

You're touching on something here that I'm surprised more MLB players don't pick up on with Boros.Frankly, if I'm ManRam I would be wondering just **** this guy has been doing to get me the titanic contract I hired him to get for me. I'm sure that Boros has tons of reports and graphs and guys walking around the office in lab coats and Coke bottle glasses poring over every little thing, but I'm betting Manny cares little about Texiera and a whole lot about what donk Manny intends to get next and who's paying for it.Boros is a great agent, but not a great agent for every player. If I were hiring him I would be paying him to prioritize ME, not the other guys in his stable...ME!Take note Mr Ramirez, your agent has been chumping you out while he worked the biz of one of his other guys and as of today, with those rumored heavier taxes coming in '09, you are still unemployed....

Exactly. I've been wondering all along why it was OK w/Manny that Tex got to go first. All that did was shrink Manny's market.

It just wasn't possible for Boras to represent both clients' interests, and he chose Tex over Manny. Manny should sue him for malpractice.

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Originally posted 09:41 AM ET  01.02 by Yankee64

Exactly. I've been wondering all along why it was OK w/Manny that Tex got to go first. All that did was shrink Manny's market.It just wasn't possible for Boras to represent both clients' interests, and he chose Tex over Manny. Manny should sue him for malpractice.

As screwed, and that is a relative term for a guy who is going to get 20 mil per for some amount of years, as Manny is by Tex going to the Yankees, this is how the signings go. CC signed first, noone would make a signing until the market was set, the other pitchers are benefited from having CC set the market high. Presumably Manny was benefited from Tex signing, excrpt for the fact that Manny burned his bridges in Boston and the rest of the league are a bunch of cheapskates...

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Originally posted 09:46 AM ET  01.02 by AllStarz

As screwed, and that is a relative term for a guy who is going to get 20 mil per for some amount of years, as Manny is by Tex going to the Yankees, this is how the signings go. CC signed first, noone would make a signing until the market was set, the other pitchers are benefited from having CC set the market high. Presumably Manny was benefited from Tex signing, excrpt for the fact that Manny burned his bridges in Boston and the rest of the league are a bunch of cheapskates...

Big difference between the CC signing and the Tex signing. CC raised the bar for the infinite market for pitchers....EVERY decent pitcher will get a job.

The Tex signing only shrunk the market for Manny. He didn't need Tex to set his salary; he'd already set his own and was obviously due for a raise. All that happened was that the few teams who could find a place for him became even fewer.

No way did the Tex deal help him; absolutely hurt him. And Boras should have to answer to him for that.

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Originally posted 09:52 AM ET  01.02 by Yankee64

Big difference between the CC signing and the Tex signing. CC raised the bar for the infinite market for pitchers....EVERY decent pitcher will get a job.The Tex signing only shrunk the market for Manny. He didn't need Tex to set his salary; he'd already set his own and was obviously due for a raise. All that happened was that the few teams who could find a place for him became even fewer. No way did the Tex deal help him; absolutely hurt him. And Boras should have to answer to him for that.

Yes, Tex going to the Yanks shrunk Manny's Market. Tex going to the Red Sox would have made the Yankees bite at or at least look at Manny. Tex going to the Angels or anywhere else would have done nothing for the Manny market. Manny got screwed by the Red Sox releasing bad press about the happenings with Manny forcing his way out. My point was that Manny screwed Manny, just as we all predicted. Yes Bora$$ cxould have minipulated the market more to create a bigger need in NY for Manny, but there is no gaurantee that NY would have bit anyway.
I still believe that the FA market waits on the bigger dogs to sign first before the smaller dogs sign. The need for some clubs is created by a rival potentially signing the guy ahead of him. There is a definate pecking order for signings.

I'm not sure how the dodgers can save $12 million unless Andruw accepts a buyout. As crappy as Andruw was last year (and he was probably pretty miserable too), He would be an idiot to give up that much money. Even if he finds a place he enjoys more, I highly doubt he'll end up making up for that lost money. I couldn't see him getting more than a 1 year deal near minimum money at this point in his career.

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Originally posted 10:02 AM ET  01.02 by AllStarz

Yes, Tex going to the Yanks shrunk Manny's Market. Tex going to the Red Sox would have made the Yankees bite at or at least look at Manny. Tex going to the Angels or anywhere else would have done nothing for the Manny market. Manny got screwed by the Red Sox releasing bad press about the happenings with Manny forcing his way out. My point was that Manny screwed Manny, just as we all predicted. Yes Bora$$ cxould have minipulated the market more to create a bigger need in NY for Manny, but there is no gaurantee that NY would have bit anyway.I still believe that the FA market waits on the bigger dogs to sign first before the smaller dogs sign. The need for some clubs is created by a rival potentially signing the guy ahead of him. There is a definate pecking order for signings.

Tex going to the Angels of Sox probably would have landed Manny in NY. And I agree that there's a pecking order.

But my point is that because he was represented by Boras--who was making sure the Tex deal happened first--he got screwed out of an opportunity. He would have been better served by another agent working AGAINST Boras to get him the best deal possible, instead of having to wait for his agent to land another client first.

For instance, the Angels, Yanks, Nats, O's could have used ongoing negotiations with Manny to help them decide what to bid for Tex, and vice versa. That's what would have happened if Manny had a different agent.

Having to wait his turn to look for a job did him no good at all.

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Originally posted 09:52 AM ET  01.02 by Yankee64

Big difference between the CC signing and the Tex signing. CC raised the bar for the infinite market for pitchers....EVERY decent pitcher will get a job.The Tex signing only shrunk the market for Manny.

On top of everything else, now Manny's got shrinkage? I'm having a hard time picturing him standing there holding his swim trunks up shouting "I was in the pool! I was in the pool!"

how many players are there??? and why does Scott Boras have them all on speed dial.

I do not see any team in their right mind trading for Jones unless the Dodgers pay 75% of his remaining contract. The guy his 158!!!!! That is embarrassing. They are going to name it the Jones line when a player is flirting with a 150 batting average.

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Originally posted 10:14 AM ET  01.02 by NYY25to13

how many players are there??? and why does Scott Boras have them all on speed dial.

Lmao. Boras does always seem to be in the middle of things.

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Originally posted 10:10 AM ET  01.02 by Atro Steals Yer Base

On top of everything else, now Manny's got shrinkage? I'm having a hard time picturing him standing there holding his swim trunks up shouting "I was in the pool! I was in the pool!"

True; he'd just complain that he didn't see the ball(s).

The point I'm trying to make allstarz is that more than likely Manny's business would have been better served by a different agent.

His agent clearly was trying to set up a domino effect, where Tex goes and that firms up a market for Manny. A different agent would have been competing with Boras in order to create a market for Manny. In point of fact, a different agent might have pushed Manny to play hard for the Red Sox with an idea of a contract extension, or possibly convince the Red Sox to void his two option years so he in fact could hit the market. I don't think anyone can make the case that Manny's exit from Boston put a shine on his star. Let's say a different agent convinces the Sox to void Manny's options, and knowing that he is going into the market Manny goes all out. Let's say that with Manny's help the Sox get by Tampa and crush the Phillies. You have to admit that Manny would look a whole lot better right now and don't discount that as a result of that scenario he might have the Red Sox looking to bring him back. You don't have to like the Red Sox, but having them in the bidding sure helps a player maximize his earning potential...

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Originally posted 10:15 AM ET  01.02 by bCColtrinari

I do not see any team in their right mind trading for Jones unless the Dodgers pay 75% of his remaining contract. The guy his 158!!!!! That is embarrassing. They are going to name it the Jones line when a player is flirting with a 150 batting average.

Perhaps the "MenJonesa" line.

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Originally posted 10:17 AM ET  01.02 by TeksMissingPower

The point I'm trying to make allstarz is that more than likely Manny's business would have been better served by a different agent.His agent clearly was trying to set up a domino effect, where Tex goes and that firms up a market for Manny. A different agent would have been competing with Boras in order to create a market for Manny. In point of fact, a different agent might have pushed Manny to play hard for the Red Sox with an idea of a contract extension, or possibly convince the Red Sox to void his two option years so he in fact could hit the market. I don't think anyone can make the case that Manny's exit from Boston put a shine on his star. Let's say a different agent convinces the Sox to void Manny's options, and knowing that he is going into the market Manny goes all out. Let's say that with Manny's help the Sox get by Tampa and crush the Phillies. You have to admit that Manny would look a whole lot better right now and don't discount that as a result of that scenario he might have the Red Sox looking to bring him back. You don't have to like the Red Sox, but having them in the bidding sure helps a player maximize his earning potential...

Agreed 100%. No way did having Boras as his agent help him last year OR this year.

If I'm bidding against someone for a house, I'd be very upset to learn that we had the same real estate broker.

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Originally posted 10:17 AM ET  01.02 by Yankee64

Perhaps the "MenJonesa" line.

Lmao yes exactly.

This must happen in Hollywood all the time, where one agent represents two different actors who might be up for the same role.

Hell...I think it's already happened on Entourage.