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Good story. It is nice to see a kid growing up as a fan of a team and then actually getting to play for them. Congrats to him.

A 6'-5" 305 pound junior! They say he's agile too.

Is it just me, or are they making high school kids a LOT bigger these days? At 6'5", 305 pounds, this kid could have played the ENTIRE offensive line for my high school team.

QUOTE(#3):

Originally posted 11:54 AM ET  03.13 by eyesWIDEopen

Is it just me, or are they making high school kids a LOT bigger these days? At 6'5", 305 pounds, this kid could have played the ENTIRE offensive line for my high school team.

I'll bet the snack machine vendor stays busy at Mustang High.

QUOTE(#3):

Originally posted 11:54 AM ET  03.13 by eyesWIDEopen

Is it just me, or are they making high school kids a LOT bigger these days? At 6'5", 305 pounds, this kid could have played the ENTIRE offensive line for my high school team.

No, they are much bigger these days. 4.4 speed was pretty uncommon when I was in school. Now it is almost a requirement at the skill positions.

They are printing articals from the "Daily Oklahoman".

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Reggie Bush and USC in deep trouble!
Case Title: LLOYD LAKE VS. LAMAR GRIFFIN
This is going to get real interesting. If $28,000 was exchanged in October 2004 'SC is in big doo doo. 2005 looks like it's toast already.

View Case Detail
Case Title: LLOYD LAKE VS. LAMAR GRIFFIN
Case Number: 37-2007-00078637-CU-BC-CTL Case Location: San Diego
Case Type: Civil Date Filed: 10/30/2007
Category: CU-BCW Breach of Contract/Warranty

Plaintiff/Petitioner
Last Name or Business Name First Name Primary (P)
LAKE LLOYD P

Defendant/Respondent
Last Name or Business Name First Name Primary (P)
GRIFFIN LAMAR P
BUSH REGINALD
GRIFFIN DENISE

Microfilm
Microfilm ID Location Reel Number Frame Number
This case has not been microfilmed.

Here's an overview from an individual tracking this case (I'll try to relocate this, but I thought it was excellent. Please pay close attention to the last sentence of the first paragraph.):

"The Bush motion for confidential arbitration:

It says that Lake's claims are covered by the terms of Michaels' non-disclosure agreement with the Bush family -- reported at $200,000-$300,000 (hush money) -- the motion argues that Lake's claims have ALREADY been repaid by dint of the Michaels settlement. The judge rejected the motion because there is no evidence that Lake was a party to the Michaels-Bush agreement and so Lake could not be bound to the private arbitration that agreement requires. Significantly, the argument underlying the motion for arbitration is a de facto admission to the validity of Lake's claims, asserting that they have ALREADY been repaid.

Trojan apologists need no longer say "IF Bush took improper benefits..." The mountain of evidence did not persuade them of this, but maybe his own admission as a matter of public record can. So Bush was by definition ineligible for amateur competition in 2004 and 2005. There are consequences for using ineligible players in games -- no matter who knew or did not know about it at the time.

Now that this ex-con would-be sports marketer has been exonerated of falsehood, it is time attention was paid to the truly damaging aspects of this scandal. That would be the facts surrounding the OTHER ex-con sports marketer involved in this case, Mike Ornstein. Bush signed on with the Ornstein Group in lieu of Lake's New Era. Bush also worked for Ornstein while a student at USC; Ornstein is a USC-certified booster (uh oh). Yahoo! has documentation that Ornstein paid for Bush family away-game travel expenses. Amazingly, Ornstein told Yahoo! that he was certain Griffin paid him back, but even if that is true, the loan (?) is still the same NCAA violation. Ornstein did not know that (oops!). Yahoo! also interviewed a Bob DeMartino, a sports memorabilia merchant. He claims to have loaned Ornstein $500 one day when they were waiting to meet with the Bush family to discuss a memorabilia deal (the $500,000 upfront money the Bushes wanted was too steep for DeMartino and he declined participation). Ornstein explained to him that he paid Bush's family $1500 per week. He was short that day. Ornstein denies this happened. While Ornstein pleaded guilty to mail fraud (he defrauded NFL Properties), Bob DeMartino has no criminal record. There will be some who will suddenly find credulity in an ex-con sports marketer and find cause to discredit the law abiding citizen who has no financial gain in lying. Such is the result of blinding bias.

Reggie Bush and USC in deep trouble!
Case Title: LLOYD LAKE VS. LAMAR GRIFFIN
This is going to get real interesting. If $28,000 was exchanged in October 2004 'SC is in big doo doo. 2005 looks like it's toast already.

View Case Detail
Case Title: LLOYD LAKE VS. LAMAR GRIFFIN
Case Number: 37-2007-00078637-CU-BC-CTL Case Location: San Diego
Case Type: Civil Date Filed: 10/30/2007
Category: CU-BCW Breach of Contract/Warranty

Plaintiff/Petitioner
Last Name or Business Name First Name Primary (P)
LAKE LLOYD P

Defendant/Respondent
Last Name or Business Name First Name Primary (P)
GRIFFIN LAMAR P
BUSH REGINALD
GRIFFIN DENISE

Microfilm
Microfilm ID Location Reel Number Frame Number
This case has not been microfilmed.

Here's an overview from an individual tracking this case (I'll try to relocate this, but I thought it was excellent. Please pay close attention to the last sentence of the first paragraph.):

"The Bush motion for confidential arbitration:

It says that Lake's claims are covered by the terms of Michaels' non-disclosure agreement with the Bush family -- reported at $200,000-$300,000 (hush money) -- the motion argues that Lake's claims have ALREADY been repaid by dint of the Michaels settlement. The judge rejected the motion because there is no evidence that Lake was a party to the Michaels-Bush agreement and so Lake could not be bound to the private arbitration that agreement requires. Significantly, the argument underlying the motion for arbitration is a de facto admission to the validity of Lake's claims, asserting that they have ALREADY been repaid.

Trojan apologists need no longer say "IF Bush took improper benefits..." The mountain of evidence did not persuade them of this, but maybe his own admission as a matter of public record can. So Bush was by definition ineligible for amateur competition in 2004 and 2005. There are consequences for using ineligible players in games -- no matter who knew or did not know about it at the time.

Now that this ex-con would-be sports marketer has been exonerated of falsehood, it is time attention was paid to the truly damaging aspects of this scandal. That would be the facts surrounding the OTHER ex-con sports marketer involved in this case, Mike Ornstein. Bush signed on with the Ornstein Group in lieu of Lake's New Era. Bush also worked for Ornstein while a student at USC; Ornstein is a USC-certified booster (uh oh). Yahoo! has documentation that Ornstein paid for Bush family away-game travel expenses. Amazingly, Ornstein told Yahoo! that he was certain Griffin paid him back, but even if that is true, the loan (?) is still the same NCAA violation. Ornstein did not know that (oops!). Yahoo! also interviewed a Bob DeMartino, a sports memorabilia merchant. He claims to have loaned Ornstein $500 one day when they were waiting to meet with the Bush family to discuss a memorabilia deal (the $500,000 upfront money the Bushes wanted was too steep for DeMartino and he declined participation). Ornstein explained to him that he paid Bush's family $1500 per week. He was short that day. Ornstein denies this happened. While Ornstein pleaded guilty to mail fraud (he defrauded NFL Properties), Bob DeMartino has no criminal record. There will be some who will suddenly find credulity in an ex-con sports marketer and find cause to discredit the law abiding citizen who has no financial gain in lying. Such is the result of blinding bias.

There is also the pending allegation that USC headcoach Pete Carroll and running backs coach Todd McNair were aware of the Bush family's living arrangement with Michaels and Lake was permitted in USC's locker rooms in 2004. These are far more worrisome concerns than the Lake civil suit with respect to severe sanctions. Vacating or forfeiting games and titles occasioned by using ineligible players affect the past. The matter of Ornstein and the coaches' alleged knowledge affect the future -- a future off TV, with massive scholarship losses, post season bans, multi-year probation and the utter disgrace. Alabama fans can speak to the damage this does/did to a great program that was not accused of nearly as egregious offenses.

So one need not fret Bush's admission of truth of Lake's claims in his motion for private arbitration; there are FAR worse things to fret. Or to deny, as usual."
http://www.sandiego.courts.ca.gov/portal/online/calendar/f_svcal1.html

Don`t know how this got from Norman to So Cal---But Dream on---the NCAA suckup machine will make sure that NOTHING happens to the Disneyland darlings at U$C. That West coast TV market is simply too lucrative--they will continue to cover up EVERY recruiting crime that U$C commits. Of course the rest of the Pac 10 will have to observe the ethics rules. Im telling you NOTHING will happen to U$C---NOTHING ! They at least should get a salary cap.

nice ndnation... keep posting until the NCAA responds

QUOTE(#8):

Originally posted 07:02 PM ET  03.13 by ndnation

Reggie Bush and USC in deep trouble!Case Title: LLOYD LAKE VS. LAMAR GRIFFINThis is going to get real interesting. If $28,000 was exchanged in October 2004 'SC is in big doo doo. 2005 looks like it's toast already.View Case DetailCase Title: LLOYD LAKE VS. LAMAR GRIFFINCase Number: 37-2007-00078637-CU-BC-CTL Case Location: San DiegoCase Type: Civil Date Filed: 10/30/2007Category: CU-BCW Breach of Contract/WarrantyPlaintiff/PetitionerLast Name or Business Name First Name Primary (P)LAKE LLOYD PDefendant/RespondentLast Name or Business Name First Name Primary (P)GRIFFIN LAMAR PBUSH REGINALDGRIFFIN DENISEMicrofilmMicrofilm ID Location Reel Number Frame NumberThis case has not been microfilmed.Here's an overview from an individual tracking this case (I'll try to relocate this, but I thought it was excellent. Please pay close attention to the last sentence of the first paragraph.):"The Bush motion for confidential arbitration:It says that Lake's claims are covered by the terms of Michaels' non-disclosure agreement with the Bush family -- reported at $200,000-$300,000 (hush money) -- the motion argues that Lake's claims have ALREADY been repaid by dint of the Michaels settlement. The judge rejected the motion because there is no evidence that Lake was a party to the Michaels-Bush agreement and so Lake could not be bound to the private arbitration that agreement requires. Significantly, the argument underlying the motion for arbitration is a de facto admission to the validity of Lake's claims, asserting that they have ALREADY been repaid.Trojan apologists need no longer say "IF Bush took improper benefits..." The mountain of evidence did not persuade them of this, but maybe his own admission as a matter of public record can. So Bush was by definition ineligible for amateur competition in 2004 and 2005. There are consequences for using ineligible players in games -- no matter who knew or did not know about it at the time.Now that this ex-con would-be sports marketer has been exonerated of falsehood, it is time attention was paid to the truly damaging aspects of this scandal. That would be the facts surrounding the OTHER ex-con sports marketer involved in this case, Mike Ornstein. Bush signed on with the Ornstein Group in lieu of Lake's New Era. Bush also worked for Ornstein while a student at USC; Ornstein is a USC-certified booster (uh oh). Yahoo! has documentation that Ornstein paid for Bush family away-game travel expenses. Amazingly, Ornstein told Yahoo! that he was certain Griffin paid him back, but even if that is true, the loan (?) is still the same NCAA violation. Ornstein did not know that (oops!). Yahoo! also interviewed a Bob DeMartino, a sports memorabilia merchant. He claims to have loaned Ornstein $500 one day when they were waiting to meet with the Bush family to discuss a memorabilia deal (the $500,000 upfront money the Bushes wanted was too steep for DeMartino and he declined participation). Ornstein explained to him that he paid Bush's family $1500 per week. He was short that day. Ornstein denies this happened. While Ornstein pleaded guilty to mail fraud (he defrauded NFL Properties), Bob DeMartino has no criminal record. There will be some who will suddenly find credulity in an ex-con sports marketer and find cause to discredit the law abiding citizen who has no financial gain in lying. Such is the result of blinding bias.

ND nation, you are correct, there are penalties for using ineligible players, but NOT for U$C. This will all continued to be swept under the rug and emptied into the dust pan of history by the NCAA until Reggie Bush & Pete Carroll get too old to drive. Get over it--its USC
Untouchable Sports Cheaters.

Wow, U$C and Reggie Bush made the post on a Bob Stoopes article. Way to stay on context.

QUOTE(#13):

Originally posted 11:43 AM ET  03.14 by reydbj

Wow, U$C and Reggie Bush made the post on a Bob Stoopes article. Way to stay on context.

Whew. Kept rereading this thinking, wow, I am missing something.

Hey ndnation, keep up the heat, but under the right skillet.