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Why does this matter, its not like the are FSU...this is USC!

OK, but until there are serious charges and penalties that sports agents and boosters are subject to, then nothing will change. It is not just a USC thing. The Universities need to go after the agents and boosters who create these situations. And that is not going to happen.

This investigation has been delayed, now it's being consolidated. Next we should expect it to be downgraded and finally....... forgotten about. Tell me again about the NCAA's concept of consequences for breaking the rules.

This topic will end up with over 500 posts by the end of the day.

Just toss in the whole athletic department. There's got to be something going on unlike at other schools.

Ther's more evidence in these cases than there was when Alabama was put on probation. The NCAA needs to start being just a tad more consistent.

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Originally posted 09:26 AM ET  04.09 by Joekidd1992

Ther's more evidence in these cases than there was when Alabama was put on probation. The NCAA needs to start being just a tad more consistent.

Never going to happen, the NCAA loves USC!

Both of these instances involve agents and outside people. Nothing that has come out yet says it involved anyone in the athletic department. So before you guys start coming down on the school, lets wait and see what they find first shall we???

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Originally posted 09:59 AM ET  04.09 by ICEnSoCal

Both of these instances involve agents and outside people. Nothing that has come out yet says it involved anyone in the athletic department. So before you guys start coming down on the school, lets wait and see what they find first shall we???

I agree but it is my understanding the school isn't exactly being helpful.

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Originally posted 10:06 AM ET  04.09 by KingFootball

I agree but it is my understanding the school isn't exactly being helpful.

Pretty much turning the other cheek.

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Originally posted 09:59 AM ET  04.09 by ICEnSoCal

Both of these instances involve agents and outside people. Nothing that has come out yet says it involved anyone in the athletic department. So before you guys start coming down on the school, lets wait and see what they find first shall we???

I don't know that anyone is suggesting that the school, itself, was involved in the distribution of illegal benefits. I think the questions surrounding school officials and coaches are centered around "What did they KNOW?" and "What SHOULD they have known?" I think people are saying that, maybe, school officials should have recognized that, all of a sudden, their star player's parents have moved from a quite modest house into a luxurious home in an upscale neighborhood, with no corresponding increase in income. I think the cash and gifts that the player, himself, received have also led some to believe that coaches were turning a blind eye to things that should have sent up red flags within the compliance office. Just my opinion...

It is my understanding that, aside from having to forfeit games, SC can only be punished if the NCAA can prove the coaches/atheltic department either directly participated in the violations, or knew of them and did nothing about it. Is this true?

As far as the NCAA loving SC...not sure when that started. I know that they didn't love them so much in the early 80's to protect them from getting banned from bowl games for two years. I'm sure that if the NCAA finds something, they will dish out punishment. Most likely SC will forfeit games, a heisman, perhaps a championship, but little more will happen. All you SC haters will not be happy about it, but at least you'll be able back up the "cheater" tag with actual violations.

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Originally posted 08:22 AM ET  04.09 by 50yearfan

OK, but until there are serious charges and penalties that sports agents and boosters are subject to, then nothing will change. It is not just a USC thing. The Universities need to go after the agents and boosters who create these situations. And that is not going to happen.

Does the NCAA give some sort of discount on these quantity investigations?

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Originally posted 09:33 AM ET  04.09 by Hippy Weed

Never going to happen, the NCAA loves USC!

The is a Domer driven conspiracy.

Everyone knows that SUVs are cheaper in California and that you can get gas there for next to nothing. That's why the student-athletes all have them.

Ever since JFK, ND has been trying to pray ND into the sea. Look at all of those earthquakes.

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Originally posted 11:50 AM ET  04.09 by Huitzilopochtli

The is a Domer driven conspiracy.Everyone knows that SUVs are cheaper in California and that you can get gas there for next to nothing. That's why the student-athletes all have them.Ever since JFK, ND has been trying to pray ND into the sea. Look at all of those earthquakes.

Swing and a miss.

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Originally posted 11:14 AM ET  04.09 by Big Puke in the hizzouse!

Pretty much turning the other cheek.

More like turning the other way.

In the 1980's the NCAA hit SMU hard in order to send a message. Then they hit TCU even after the school self-reported and attempted to penalize themselves. This sent the message to every program in America that it's best NOT to disclose anything. That's what we have now. Why cooperate?

The NCAA's investigative tactics and enforcement policies are what we call a "broken process" in the business world. So Mr. NCAA, will you please just hurry up and hand out one of your same old lame-o rulings on USC and let's get on with it? Fixing your process would be the smart thing to do but you've already proven that smart is not what you're after.

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Originally posted 11:33 AM ET  04.09 by NorthwestTrojan

It is my understanding that, aside from having to forfeit games, SC can only be punished if the NCAA can prove the coaches/atheltic department either directly participated in the violations, or knew of them and did nothing about it. Is this true?

They didn't have proof of that when they put Alabama on probation. The NCAA actually has been sued by several former assistants at Alabama because the NCAA made some allegations they never proved. During these trials, the NCAA's representatives have displayed the same arrogance they showed while actually "investigating" Alabama.

In the two cases I'm somewhat familiar with, I am unsure what the final outcome was in the first one, but in the second one, the jury found against the NCAA and awarded a multi-million dollar award. The judge set aside the verdict for reasons no one can accurately determine.

Regardless, the NCAA never actually proved Alabama's coaches did anything wrong or knew of anything being done wrong. The case mostly revolved around a booster/boosters that had been accused by people who were not exactly friends of Alabama.

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Originally posted 02:55 PM ET  04.09 by Joekidd1992

They didn't have proof of that when they put Alabama on probation. The NCAA actually has been sued by several former assistants at Alabama because the NCAA made some allegations they never proved. During these trials, the NCAA's representatives have displayed the same arrogance they showed while actually "investigating" Alabama. In the two cases I'm somewhat familiar with, I am unsure what the final outcome was in the first one, but in the second one, the jury found against the NCAA and awarded a multi-million dollar award. The judge set aside the verdict for reasons no one can accurately determine.Regardless, the NCAA never actually proved Alabama's coaches did anything wrong or knew of anything being done wrong. The case mostly revolved around a booster/boosters that had been accused by people who were not exactly friends of Alabama.

Appreciate the info. I wonder if the resulting lawsuits in the Bama case have caused the NCAA to be a little more careful in handing out sanctions, though I'm sure FSU fans would disagree. It seems most people feel nothing serious will ever come from these investigations, and I can understand why they see it that way. But deep down, I'm not 100% convinced the NCAA isn't simply taking their time, trying to put together a case that would allow some major penalties to be handed down.

Not that SC would get the death penalty, but does anybody know how long the SMU investigation took before the ax fell?

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Originally posted 11:24 AM ET  04.09 by eyesWIDEopen

I don't know that anyone is suggesting that the school, itself, was involved in the distribution of illegal benefits. I think the questions surrounding school officials and coaches are centered around "What did they KNOW?" and "What SHOULD they have known?" I think people are saying that, maybe, school officials should have recognized that, all of a sudden, their star player's parents have moved from a quite modest house into a luxurious home in an upscale neighborhood, with no corresponding increase in income. I think the cash and gifts that the player, himself, received have also led some to believe that coaches were turning a blind eye to things that should have sent up red flags within the compliance office. Just my opinion...

OK, I'm gonna unzip and let my ignorance show here, so take it easy, please, just trying to make sure I understand...and I am not trying to say anything did or did not happen at SC, but...

So, if a player KNOWINGLY accepts goodies that he should not have accepted from a non-school based source, but it goes unreported/undiscovered, and then later is discovered, but there is no evidence the school or coaches etc., knew about it "at the time", does that mean no infraction has occurred, in the eyes of the NCAA?