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I have already responded to the above information, which is copied straight from a published article. You might consider citing the source of the article, if you wish to be honest.

I am going to bail on this thread.

Good luck Tigers in your mNC run!

BTW-my guess is that, if Miles does come to Michigan, Michigan will play LSU within about 5 years, since there would be considerable fan interest in such a game.

dang ..... those pesky facts just keep messing up your opinions!

sec1 claimed:

Since 1960 Michigan is not in the top 5 winningest programs

read em and weep...from Stassen:

I-A Winning Percentage 1960-2006 (47 years)
Rank Team name Winning Percentage
1 Nebraska 0.79115
2 Ohio State 0.76075
3 Michigan 0.74354
4 Penn State 0.74044
5 Boise State 0.74000

18 Louisiana State 0.65009

Thus Michigan is on the short list of at least three top coaches-Meyer, Holtz, and Miles.

Notre Dame is on the short list for at least two top coaches: Meyer and Holtz.

tOSU is on the short list for at least two top coaches: Holtz and Meyer

Methinks that makes Michigan the leader in the clubhouse.....

correction: Meyers out clause at Utah listed:

Notre Dame, tOSU, and Michigan

someone posted above that the top three coaching jobs in America are USC Texas and Florida.

Well,if that is so-why do so many coaches have out clauses for Notre Dame (e.g. Meyer, Holttz), Michigan (Miles and Holtz), and tOSU (Holtz)?

How many coaches can you name who have (or have had in the past) out clauses to leave for an SEC school?

the USA Today piece announcing Meyers decision yo go to Florida rather than ND is below (reuncated to meet guidelines):


Urban Meyer jilts Notre Dame, heads to Florida

By Doug Alden, The Associated Press
SALT LAKE CITY ??? Coaching Notre Dame is still Urban Meyer's dream job. It just isn't the one he's taking. Meyer said Saturday the professional and financial opportunity presented to him by Florida was too good to pass up. And by the time Notre Dame called, Meyer already knew he was heading for The Swamp, not the Golden Dome.
Urban Meyer is among the hottest college coaches in the country after leading Utah to an 11-0 record.
By Steve C. Wilson, AP

"This was a family decision that was made prior to the other situation," Meyer said Saturday after the fifth-ranked Utes practiced.

Florida athletic director Jeremy Foley said Saturday in Gainesville, Fla., that Meyer's contract was for seven years, $14 million.

"He's got a presence," Foley said. "You walk into a room and you can tell he has a little something about him."

Meyer said he met with Notre Dame athletic director Kevin White on Thursday night after White and the school's new president flew to Salt Lake City. But Meyer said the meeting was out of respect for the school where he spent five seasons as an assistant.

"I heard people say it was your dream job. It still is," Meyer said. "It just so happens I have three children at a (young) age and a situation that was well into effect before that one was even on the radar."

Meyer told his players before practice Saturday that he was taking the Florida job, confirming what they already knew. By going 10-2 in Meyer's first season and 11-0 this year, the Utes vaulted Meyer to the top of many schools' wish lists.

And Florida, which fired Ron Zook in October, was apparently the first in line. Foley is looking good after luring Meyer, who has never lost more than three games in a season in his four years as a head coach. The Gators had been spurned three years ago by Oklahoma's Bob Stoops and Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan when Steve Spurrier left for the NFL.

Spurrier, who was considered an early candidate for the Florida job when Zook was fired, is the new coach at South Carolina, which plays in the same division as the Gators.

"You have to give that guy credit. He's had four fantastic seasons in a row at two different schools," Spurrier told ABC TV on Saturday. "When you're hot, you're hot as they say. He's hot right now."

Meyer spent five seasons as an assistant at Notre Dame and had an out clause in his Utah contract if the Irish head coaching job was available. It opened Tuesday when Notre Dame fired Tyrone Willingham, but Meyer was already leaning toward Florida.

So Notre Dame's search continues, although where it would lead was anyone's guess.

White was at the Notre Dame-Michigan basketball game in Ann Arbor on Saturday and only shook his head when asked if he was discouraged. He said he had no comment on the coaching search.

Coaching the Fighting Irish would have entailed high expectations and tough academic standards,

To all of you guys who denigrate the importance of Michigan's great winning tradition-in a few years, LSU will return to the mediocrity from whence it came. And Michigan will continue to be America's greatest winning tradition.

Every few years there is a new challenger to Michigan. In the war years it was Army. After the war, it was Notre Dame. Then it was Oklahoma and Alabama in the 1950s. Then in the 1960s it was Michigan State. In the 1970s it was Nebraska and Ohio State. In the 1980s it was Florida State and Miami. In the 1990s it was USC and Ohio State.Now it is LSU and Ohio State.

One by one-each of the challengers falls away, leaving only Michigan as the greatest winning tradition in all of sport.

last eight years?

According to Stassen, over the last eight years for which complete data are available (1999-2006) inclusive, Michigan is still in the top ten nationally (in wining percentage)........ and LSU is still not.


Darn those facts are pesky little things.

starman3 opined:

Michigan has built its winning percentage against a not overly strong conference year in and year out. . . . .
; ;. Southern teams have for the most part of College Football History had the deck stacked against them.

Comparing LSU s and Michigan s Strength of Schedule: I could find data only for the last two years: Phil Steele ranks Michigan s SoS 13th in 2006 (using opponents ex post facto won-lost percentages, plus that of the second degree opponents) and 13th in 2007 (using only won-loss records for opponents for the previous year). LSU s SoSs ranked 50th and 28th respectively.

Furthermore, if you take the number of times Michigan and LSU have played the top ten teams (other top 9 in Michigan s case) divided by the total games each team has played, you find that Michigan has played nearly 16% of its games all-time against this top echelon, while LSU has played about 10% of their games all-time vs this group. One could argue that, by this rough measure, Michigan has played a tougher schedule than LSU over 100 years.

facts are pesky things....

and to the guy who said 'history is unimportant'....that kind of statement is typical of those with little knowledge of history, or who have very little history

Sorry for the above duplicate post-I am new to this board.

To the editor-feel free to remove one of the duplicate posts-and to clean up the ??? which should be single quote marks (apostrophes).

LSU, Les Miles, and Michigan

Dark Knight wrote that it would be ???a step down??? for Louisiana State University football head coach Les
Miles to take the HC job at Miles??? (and my) alma mater, Michigan. (http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071006/SPORTS06/710060308/10 55)

I don???t know whether Miles will be offered this job (there is reason to think he may not), much less do I know whether he would take it if offered. But I do know that moving from the HC job at LSU to the HC job at Michigan is a distinct step UP-not down

Here is the comparison between the CFB programs at Michigan and LSU:

1. All-time wins in CFB BSD (nee Division 1A): Michigan is #1 (no one else is even close). LSU is #12 all time. Even if you restrict comparison to the last 10 years, Michigan still ranks among the top ten winningest programs, and LSU still does not.

2. All-time winning percentage Michigan is #1 in winning percent (ND is close second, everyone else is way back). LSU is #14 all time. If you restrict comparison to the last 10 years, Michigan still ranks among the winningest programs, and LSU still does not.

3. Compare Won-Lost records against other top programs. LSU???s all-time record vs the 10 winningest programs is: 40 W, 64 L, and 11 Ties (39% winning record). LSU does not have a winning record vs ANY of the top 10 winningest teams of all time (in order: Michigan, ND, Texas, tOSU, OU, Alabama, Nebraska, USC Tenn, and PSU), and has NEVER played the number 1 all-time winningest team, (Michigan). LSU has NEVER beaten the 4th, 7th , and 10th all time winningest teams. These are tOSU (which LSU has played twice), Nebraska (which LSU has played 6 times), and PSU (once)

Michigan has an all time record of 91 wins, 69 loses, and 8 ties vs the (other 9 of the) top ten all-time winingest programs, for a winning percentage of 56.6%. Among the six teams it has played more than once, Michigan has winning records vs ALL BUT ONE of the other top teams. The lone exception is USC, which holds a 6W, 4L record vs Michigan. ALL of Southern Cal???s wins over Michigan were played in LA. In fact, only three of the ten winningest teams of all time have EVER beaten Michigan in Michigan.

Michigan is one of only two programs with a winning record vs Notre Dame over more than a half-dozen games (Nebraska is the other), and is one of only two teams (USC is the other) with a winning record vs the #4 all-time winningest team-tOSU. Michigan played Army during and after the war (when Army had arguably the greatest teams ever assembled-and had a hard time finding teams willing to play them). Michigan played Harvard in the 1800???s, when Harvard was the undisputed king of football. Michigan played Oklahoma, Texas and Tennessee, each in the bowl games culminating their most recent NC years, and we played USC during several of their NC years.

Michigan has played them all, and usually came out on top. Michigan is the winningest team in big-time CFB. All of the above data may be found at: http://football.stassen.com/records/

LSU, Les Miles, and Michigan

Dark Knight wrote that it would be ???a step down??? for Louisiana State University football head coach Les
Miles to take the HC job at Miles??? (and my) alma mater, Michigan. (http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071006/SPORTS06/710060308/10 55)

I don???t know whether Miles will be offered this job (there is reason to think he may not), much less do I know whether he would take it if offered. But I do know that moving from the HC job at LSU to the HC job at Michigan is a distinct step UP-not down

Here is the comparison between the CFB programs at Michigan and LSU:

1. All-time wins in CFB BSD (nee Division 1A): Michigan is #1 (no one else is even close). LSU is #12 all time. Even if you restrict comparison to the last 10 years, Michigan still ranks among the top ten winningest programs, and LSU still does not.

2. All-time winning percentage Michigan is #1 in winning percent (ND is close second, everyone else is way back). LSU is #14 all time. If you restrict comparison to the last 10 years, Michigan still ranks among the winningest programs, and LSU still does not.

3. Compare Won-Lost records against other top programs. LSU???s all-time record vs the 10 winningest programs is: 40 W, 64 L, and 11 Ties (39% winning record). LSU does not have a winning record vs ANY of the top 10 winningest teams of all time (in order: Michigan, ND, Texas, tOSU, OU, Alabama, Nebraska, USC Tenn, and PSU), and has NEVER played the number 1 all-time winningest team, (Michigan). LSU has NEVER beaten the 4th, 7th , and 10th all time winningest teams. These are tOSU (which LSU has played twice), Nebraska (which LSU has played 6 times), and PSU (once)

Michigan has an all time record of 91 wins, 69 loses, and 8 ties vs the (other 9 of the) top ten all-time winingest programs, for a winning percentage of 56.6%. Among the six teams it has played more than once, Michigan has winning records vs ALL BUT ONE of the other top teams. The lone exception is USC, which holds a 6W, 4L record vs Michigan. ALL of Southern Cal???s wins over Michigan were played in LA. In fact, only three of the ten winningest teams of all time have EVER beaten Michigan in Michigan.

Michigan is one of only two programs with a winning record vs Notre Dame over more than a half-dozen games (Nebraska is the other), and is one of only two teams (USC is the other) with a winning record vs the #4 all-time winningest team-tOSU. Michigan played Army during and after the war (when Army had arguably the greatest teams ever assembled-and had a hard time finding teams willing to play them). Michigan played Harvard in the 1800???s, when Harvard was the undisputed king of football. Michigan played Oklahoma, Texas and Tennessee, each in the bowl games culminating their most recent NC years, and we played USC during several of their NC years.

Michigan has played them all, and usually came out on top. Michigan is the winningest team in big-time CFB. All of the above data may be found at: http://football.stassen.com/records/