I would love to debate this topic. Not a fan of either list in their entirety but will weigh the arguments.

OOps, out of practice. I posted this in the wrong damn debate! LOL

I would love to debate this topic. Not a fan of either list in their entirety but will weigh the arguments.

Bradshaw's gaff won't be remembered because it didn't change anything. For me, the 12 men on the field penalty on the Patriots that negated a fumble recovery IN THE RED ZONE and resulted in a TD by the Giants was the key error in the game. Without it, the Patriots win. It was a dumb and inexcusable mistake and shouldn't happen after week 2 or 3 never mind the Superbowl.

I am very sorry that things ended the way they did for JoePa. While not necessarily a Penn State fan I always respected Paterno and the Penn State program for doing things right and still being successful. It is very true that he contributed a great deal to Penn State, his players and society in general and you can't forget that.

With that said, there is a saying in the military; "One aww Sh@$ can erase a whole lot of Atta Boys." This was a HUGE aww Sh@$ ! As a parent, a coach and a human being I am finding it extremely difficult to get around this issue for Joe. It wasn't difficult and there was ONLY one choice to make. The VERY minute he was told that Sandusky was raping a young child in the shower on campus he should have acted. PERIOD. It is unconscionable to have acted otherwise. I get that he says he turned this over to administration but this is a CRIME and the police needs to be called ASAP. Not only that, this is JoePa we are talking about. Does anyone believe that Penn State would have prevented him from dismissing Sandusky from his staff immediately? Even if he feared for his job (which I think is preposterous) there is but one course of action in this instance and he failed horribly and tragically.

There are a few misconceptions here. I happen to work at a State University and as you might guess, been involved with the Athletic Department. The argument that Paterno informed the AD and thus had no other courses of action available to him are erroneous. A Head Coach would be well within his rights to suspend an assistant from his team and ban him from the facilities until such time as a resolution one way or the other can be found. Once he informed the AD, it is still within his rights to inform the authorities if he so chooses. State law would protect him from any reprisal on the matter not to mention...he is Joe Paterno AND his actions were to protect innocent children. While he may have satisfied any institutional or legal obligations, he failed miserably in meeting his moral and ethical responsibilities. The argument that somehow it was a catch22 is also laughable. It isn't likely that anyone could have touched him had he made the report to the police but even if that were so, we are now saying that Paterno's job is more important than the safety and welfare of numerous children. He preaches about turning his players from boys into men but when it was his turn to illustrate how a man should face tough decisions and stand up for those that can not stand up for themselves, he fails miserably!

Deeds NOT Words make the man!

"The world will be a darker place without coach Paterno on tv.. "

There is a saying in the service, "one awe **** can wipe out a whole lot of atta boys!"
Everything JoePa ever said of stood for is for naught. He claimed to be building men not football players yet when he himself needed to be a man, step up and do the right thing and protect children, he did the very least. One of his very own former players that had become a grad assistance actually witnessed a child being sexually abused and did NOTHING! He actually walked away and called his "daddy" who reinforced this gutless behavior.

HCF, you accused someone earlier of not knowing much about men. Well, I will be your huckleberry. I am a decorated combat veteran, a long time coach, teacher, father and husband. I think I know a little bit about being a man. IF...I caught wind of anyone, never mind a colleague doing the things Sandusky did, they would be getting off easy if all I did was call the police. Likely, I would be calling the police to turn myself in for castrating the SOB before they got there.

Honor is about deeds NOT words!

Jesus Freakin Christ! Are you serious Frog? A MAN would NEVER sit back and allow children to be harmed even once never mind 10 years. I can not over state how disgusted I am with the 7 adults with knowledge of what was going on and did NOTHING! If one of those kids were mine, I would not only have Sandusky's balls "literally" on a platter, I would have Paternos, the AD, the graduates assistant that saw it happening and walked away and anyone else that had a chance and and obligation to stop this as well. I find it impossible to respect any opinion otherwise. I am a very easy going and fair guy but if you hurt a kid that goes out the window.

To start with, statistics can mean something if applied appropriately and if there is a large enough sample size. Deciding that one player is better than another based on less than a third of a season, they have no opponents in common and play in different systems is sketchy at best.

I think left is way off the mark with his claim that Brady has a superior receiving corp. Brady has a great "slot" receiver, NO deep threat and a couple of good young tight ends. Ocho Cinco?? REALLY? Have you watched a Patriot game this season? He has been a non factor. He has 9 catches in 5 games for 136 yards and hasn't had more than 2 catches in any one game. Branch is far and away a more integral part of the offense. Rogers has a little advantage called a defense.

I don't want to sound like I am necessarily picking Brady over Rogers... These two could are most accurately described as 1a and 1b right now. I would take either guy on my team and be happy.

The only city to ever have all 4 major sports franchises win a championship in less than 8 years. Love'em or hate'em you can't take that away. I don't if they are the number one sports city or not but they are easily on the short list. It is difficult to come up with a city that has had the same success across the board in a given period of time.

The left pretty much lost any chance of winning when he damaged his arguments with the Patriots cheating thing. It illustrates both a lack of knowledge about what the actual infraction really was, the history of such infractions and the punishments that have been doled out. When you allow emotion to trump logic, your arguments go down the tubes!

I am both a Red Sox fan AND as my moniker my suggest, a baseball coach of many years. IMHO it doesn't matter in the least if the Yankees threw the game. Bottom line, IF YOU GO 7 AND 20 IN SEPTEMBER YOU DO NOT HAVE ANYONE ELSE TO BLAME FOR NOT MAKING THE PLAYOFFS BUT YOURSELF! I beg other Sox fans to stop embarrassing the rest of us. We gloated and had a great time when the Yankees blew a 3-0 lead in the playoffs to us. Now the shoe is on the other foot so let's shut up and take our medicine. I have allowed all my Yankee and otherwise friends to line up and take their shots without a peep so long as they were factually accurate and fair.

On another note, if I were the Yankee manager, playing a game that meant absolutely nothing to me or my team, two days away from entering the playoffs, you wouldn't see a SINGLE name on a jersey in the lineup that you recognized. My job is to make sure my team is rested and my pitching rotation is set-up for the task at hand. It is NOT my job to worry about the Rays or Red Sox.

Personally, I don't think Favre IS in the conversation and would debate that point but again, it's all subjective.

Not arguing the behavior, just your interpretation. While I am from and currently live in coastal NC, I lived in New England for 25+ years and raised my family there. I have friends and relatives there and have become pretty familiar with the area and it's people. They are very knowledgeable, loyal and ardent fans. They do NOT envy Manning, they LOVE Brady so your statement is simply hogwash as I said.

I have been very fair in my comments and haven't personally anointed Brady GOAT but like it or not, he is in the conversation.

Complete hogwash! There is no Manning envy. Patriot fans are ecstatic that Brady is their QB as well they should be. He is the right QB and personality for that team and that coach. They simply support their guy and to be fair, Manning and the Colts are the rivals so they are going to argue against them.

Like I said, the GOAT is a completely subjective issue. A case can be made for any of a half dozen QBs past and present. The fact remains that Brady IS in the conversation as is Manning.

Just like any argument for the GOAT, it is largely subjective. For instance, I believe Willie Mays is the Greatest Baseball Player of all time but many would argue that point and could offer a number of viable alternatives.

The point I would make here is that Tom Brady has played himself into the conversation.

The dink and dunk BS is left over from a few seasons ago when Brady didn't have a running game and no big play receivers. The "dink and dunk" stuff was basically the Patriot running game. If you have watched the games this season, he is going down field regularly and he did so when he had Moss as well. Simply put, he adapts to the talent around him. BTW, any 99 yard TD ever thrown is about YAC as no QB throws the ball 99 yards and hits the receiver in the endzone, that's just stupid.

My opinion on the entire spy-gate issue is much like my opinion of government. They are all looking for an edge, they are all looking to steal signs and in some form or fashion; cheating. The Patriots simply got caught. If you think your team isn't cheating then it tells me one of two things or both.
1. Your team stinks. 2. You are incredibly naive.

That isn't a testament to Manning so much as as a condemnation of the Colts management. The Patriots and other successful teams see to it that they have a capable back-up. The Colts did not and are now stuck with an old Kerry Collins. They way QBs go down in this league it is ignorant not to have a capable back-up.

This illustrates my issue with your stance. You make it sound like Brady is an idiot. Brady is known for his attention to datail, work ethic, the hours he spends watching film and is involved in the game planning.. If you watched the special on the NFL network where they follow Belichick with a mic for a season, there is a very interesting segment where Brady is making suggestions to Belichick about how to attack a particular defense and you get the distinct impression this happens quite often.

On one hand you keep telling us that winning and winning championships is a team accomplishments and then turn around and want to claim that the Patriots would have won more championships with Manning and the Colts wouldn't have won their lone championship?!

I would have to disagree. First, the reasons the Pats haven't won more rings has nothing to do with Brady or scoring points. It has everything to do with the defense not being as good as it was in the Championship years which is also the reason Manning probably hasn't won more.

Another factor is that Brady and Belichick are of one mind and have an extremely close relationship which has a great deal to do with they success they ave had together. Whether Belichick and Manning would have the same relationship is questionable at best. I also think that Brady is a better teammate than Manning. Manning's tendency to berate teammates and on occasion throw them under the bus would NOT go well in NE or with Belichick. On the other hand, I can't see why Brady would have any problems throwing to the likes of Wayne, Harrison, Dallas Clark,Gonzalez, etc.

I think we are way off track. This is NOT a debate between Brady and Manning. In fact, the way the arguments have progressed, the term Greatest of All Time isn't really important either even though it is part of the title. Basically, it has simply come down to a simple question, is Brady higher up on the list of all time greats than Graham? You can not consider any other QB as they have not been offered as an option.

How 8 people think that Graham is better than Brady is beyond me. The game Graham played barely resembles the game of football in it's current form. You could probably count on one hand the number of players in the league in the 1950s that would even make an NFL roster today.