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Besides which, the Raptors have buckets of money coming in from the Leafs and TFC, as well as the Raptors themselves. They can afford to give him LeBron type money, and they would because they need him. Cleveland can offer him a lot, but they probably have to offer him less than whatever LeBron makes.
Also, the Raptors have a good team. We'll see where they are in 2 years, but they have a solid with the potential for excellent PG in Calderon, and if O'Neal stays healthy Bosh has another legitimate star to play with and the potential to be a top team in the east. Maybe in 2 years they'll suck, and we can talk then, but in 2 years it's possible that Calderon has emerged into one of the top PGs in the league and maybe even Bargnani has become a good player. It's ridiculous to even try and play that situation out yet.
LiveFreeOrDieHard | 02/25/08, 10:32 PM
Well I think it's fair to say that you need an arm to throw the ball, but you don't necessarily need a good one to beat a runner if the runner is slow or if the ball is hit hard enough at you. Just like I could run down any ball if it's hit soft enough. And I can think of lots of SS who would dive into the stands in July. The problem is that with Jeter makes a single play everyone remembers it forever. Jeter also makes average plays look incredible.
Despite all that I'll take him on my fantasy team, if he wasn't always taken so high by Yankee fans.
I'd also argue that John McDonald is the best fielding SS in the majors, he lives for defense, but I'll certainly concede that you could make an argument for Tulowitzki.
again, I'm not gonna start knocking you now because I don't wanna continue with this post forever, but stats say so little when it comes to what Derek Jeter does out there on a day-to-day basis. Disagree with me, please, it's what makes these things fun... but I've followed this guy nearly every game for 12 years and there's no calling his defense terrible. Period.
LiveFreeOrDieHard | 02/25/08, 08:10 PM
You tried to insinuate that experts are regularly wrong, but your evidence was based exclusively on predictions, which is irrelevant to your point. We know they're no psychics. Fans of the Yankees think Jeter's defense is great. Fans and scouts from the 29 other teams disagree.
What is it that he does "out there" which stats can't represent, relevant to defense? The fact that he makes it look good is irrelevant, looking good doesn't win baseball games. Stats say that he doesn't play balls that others would, something that from watching him is difficult to ascertain.
LiveFreeOrDieHard | 02/25/08, 06:31 PM
There's a huge difference, those were predictions. This is a retrospective. We're not guaranteeing that Jeter's defense will be terrible this year, we're saying that it was last year.
Pats4Life | 02/25/08, 10:30 AM
And then I'd trade his defensive skills for John McDonald.... And then I'd trade his offensive skills for A-Rod.... And then I'd trade his looks for Tom Brady...... And then I'd trade his pay-cheque for Bill Gates.... And then I'd trade....
The point is, defending on my team I'd rather John McDonald or Orlando Cabrera, or most other players above him. Because they're better at defense. Right now, not several years ago. People get so defensive as if we're trying to say Jeter is and never was any good at baseball. We're not saying that.
Hank Aaron hit a lot of home runs once upon a time, that doesn't mean I'd want him hitting clean-up on my team today.
Nevada | 02/24/08, 05:25 PM
That's like saying everyone should want Mike Mussina pitching for them because they can't do any better. That's not the point. As baseball fans it is our right, especially in the offseason, to debate the relative merits of each player. What we're saying is that Jeter is not a good fielder, but his bat makes up for it, the same way that Bonds, Manny, or Damon are paid for their bat. Meanwhile, other players like John McDonald are paid for their glove. All are great players with glaring deficiencies.
However he is below average at defense and always has been. It's been widely acknowledged outside of New York for a long, long time. Jeter makes the average look super-human and doesn't make the above average plays.
Again, they aren't saying Jeter sucks, they're only saying his defense isn't great, which is only one aspect of the player.
Clark was focused on the ball, he only knew where John MacDonald should be. A-Rod waited until he was right between MacDonald and Clark and then yelled at Clark. Clark, being a nervous call-up, backed off to the experienced veteran, MacDonald.
Whatever A-Rod yelled, I doubt it was "hi". It was an obvious attempt to throw Clark off. The Jays were already losing. If this was so common then why would they react like this, it's not like they lost a great deal. If this was no big deal then why did the umpires have to have a conference? Matt Stairs made an excellent comment, he said to watch the comments of the other Yankees. If they stick up for him then it's no big deal. If they offer "no comment", obviously they're upset with A-Rod.