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Posted Monday December 17, 2012, About: Lin: 'I'm doing terrible'
take melo out the game and you'll see the ball moving more.

one player isn't gonna account for his 40pts, but you'll make up for those points by having 5 guys score 8 more a piece. How you think they were scoring so many points before Melo game?

don't get me wrong.. melo's been scoring his ass off. But he's not the key to them winning. Ball movement is the key. Damn near every player on the court is capable of scoring... scoring aint the problem. Team ball is why they're winning, and they start losing the moment they stray away from that. Again... see the Spurs game as my reference. I'm sure there are no shortage of examples. The ball becomes stagnant... they don't score. The ball moves... they score. It's pretty simple.
Posted Monday December 17, 2012, About: Lin: 'I'm doing terrible'
above 500... but i agree nonetheless here.

you need melo's scoring overall. But... if his scoring starts to take precedence over ball movement, we aint doing much damage in the playoffs.
Posted Monday December 17, 2012, About: Lin: 'I'm doing terrible'
They'd be fine if he went down... as long as they continue to move the ball like they do when he's on the court and when he's practicing with them.
Posted Monday December 17, 2012, About: Lin: 'I'm doing terrible'
i'd agree w/ everything you said here if Kidd didn't just hit a game winning 3 lol.

My only point here is MVP doesn't always mean the best player. I'm not saying J Kidd is the best player on the team.. i'm saying he's the most valuable. The intelligence and "calming" effect he's brought to this team have them not only playing lights out basketball... but actually turning that great play into Ws. He's showing them how to finish the game and win it... something the KNick have struggled with. That's what an MVP of the team does.

Kidd's far from the best guard on the court. But he's the smartest and most resourceful player on the team. You need to be calm and smart to win in this league... Kidd's intelligence is rubbing off on offense. Hard to argue against that.
Posted Monday December 17, 2012, About: Lin: 'I'm doing terrible'
exactly.. you don't see "selflessness" in a stat.

Anybody can pull a stat sheet, that doesn't make you an analyst. (I'm not talking about you uno lol... i have some friends who pull stat sheets when debating bball w/ me lol, stats don't measure everything)
Posted Monday December 17, 2012, About: Lin: 'I'm doing terrible'
It's not all about the statline when you're talking about a team-sport. You can't measure ball movement in a statline.

Unless you're talking about the infamous "we score +15 pts with [player] on the floor". I'd like to see what those numbers are w/ Kidd on the court. That's the only "stat" that would be relevant... (no pun intended for Amare)
Posted Monday December 17, 2012, About: Lin: 'I'm doing terrible'
they're 18-5 and their wins have come from great ball movement. How is that not directly linked to J Kidd? 23 games is enough to see how much better they move the ball this season.

They didn't even move the ball this well when Lin was on the court and Melo & Amare were out. JKidd is the difference.

If you bring Felton back without Kidd.. they still play well but they don't have the same ball movement. You bring Kidd in without Felton and they have great ball movement, but they don't have enough talent at the PG position to win... that's what Felton brings.
Posted Monday December 17, 2012, About: Lin: 'I'm doing terrible'
"no matter* how he plays"
Posted Monday December 17, 2012, About: Lin: 'I'm doing terrible'
Well here's the thing... Amare is eventually coming back. He's either gonna be a gift or a curse. If he gets put on the court... our season is gonna rest in his hands. We'll make the playoffs nobody how he plays or fits back in. But to get a championship out of all of this... mark my words... his play is gonna be key. You'll see it in the playoffs when we go 6 minutes without scoring a bucket b/c the ball movement stopped, we can't get to the hole, and nobody can hit a jumpshot. I guarantee that. Take a screenshot of this LOL
Posted Monday December 17, 2012, About: Lin: 'I'm doing terrible'
Exactly my point.

Last year... you could easily say Chandler was the MVP of the Knicks. He brought the "screw this, we gonna fight on D, and we gonna win" type of attitude. This was the game changer for our franchise to be honest. He was a big reason why they were a different team, and other teams finally started respecting us as an opponent. Even D-Wade was caught in an interview saying "this is a different Knicks team".

The Knicks were a joke for a long time until Chandler's fire got infused in the team.

Also... I just wanna make this clear... nobody is saying ONE PLAYER leads an entire team to victory. That's impossible in team sports. But... one player absolutely can spark a fire that gets caught by other teammates. We've witnessed that 2 seasons in a row in New York
Posted Monday December 17, 2012, About: Lin: 'I'm doing terrible'
100% agree w/ this.

However, if we're talking about who's the "most valuable" on the Knicks. I'd say it's Jason Kidd hands down. They've shown they can win without Melo... as long as they're playing smart basketball and moving the rock around the court. That's all i'm really saying here.
Posted Monday December 17, 2012, About: Lin: 'I'm doing terrible'
Agree w/ 90% of this. Kidd is a smart defender on somebody who doesn't have a quick first step. But yeah... he can't keep up w/ the Westbrook's and D Rose's lol. Even the Rondo's. Probably can'e keep up w/ Jameer Nelson, but that's not the point! lol

That locker room presence is what wins championships. That's why i'd agree he's the most important/valuable person on the team.. on and off the court. Not the most talented, not the "best player"... but the most valuable. HUUGGEE difference from what dude was saying.
Posted Monday December 17, 2012, About: Lin: 'I'm doing terrible'
I only say that because you know the post-season is a different animal. Teams step it up.

We're going to need a 2nd all-star level scorer to carry the load when we're in a slump. If we run into a team playing great defense... it can mess up our ball movement, which doesn't bode well for our role guys. See: Spurs game in the 3rd/ early 4th quarter lol
Posted Monday December 17, 2012, About: Lin: 'I'm doing terrible'
I only say that because you know the post-season is a different animal. Teams step it up.

We're going to need a 2nd all-star level scorer to carry the load when we're in a slump. If we run into a team playing great defense... it can mess up our ball movement, which doesn't bode well for our role guys. See: Spurs game in the 3rd/ early 4th quarter lol
Posted Monday December 17, 2012, About: Lin: 'I'm doing terrible'
Doesn't matter who says it. Again... you'd have to be blind to say that this ball movement and unselfish play isn't Jason Kidd-esque. He, along w/ Woody, is one of the biggest reason's we're playing so well.

"Who says it" doesn't prove anything, and doesn't disprove what I said. Doesn't matter who the players give the credit to... as long as they're playing well. But from a spectator's perspective... J Kidd being there makes a huge difference, and you can see the evidence when they move the ball. That extra pass is key. I've seen Melo make some unselfish plays he wouldn't have dreamed of under Woodson last year. Having a playing like Kidd on your team helps change your mindset about the game, whether it's consciously or subconsciously... i don't know how you're trying to debate this.
Posted Monday December 17, 2012, About: Lin: 'I'm doing terrible'
Yes & no. Bringing in veterans was a good idea.. but it's two faced b/c they brought in veterans to solve a problem that was created by hiring the wrong guys. They're on the track track though, finally.. so i'm happy. It's not like they could predict they'd have two all-stars who's games clash with each others and neither genuinely wants to play any D. But yeah... management has been finally making better decisions.

How far we'll go depends on Amare. As is... we have a good chance at winning the conference, but that's b/c the Heat aren't playing up to par. If Amare comes back and is willing to give it his all off the bench... you have to talk about title possibilities.

ALso... we're playing well, until Melo starts doing his "me vs. the world" thing and we forget about ball movement.
Posted Monday December 17, 2012, About: Lin: 'I'm doing terrible'
The most valuable person on the team doesn't always get all of the credit. Ask Tayshaun Prince or Ben Wallace when the Pistons were winning championships.

Of course the coach is gonna get the majority of the credit. Woodson has a system that they are finally responding to. They listen to him b/c he gives them some slack and doesn't try to be a dictator and force them to play a certain way. However... you'd have to be blind to say that the ball movement and unselfish play they're doing has nothing to do w/ J Kidd.

It's a fact, when you put the right guys on your team, it creates the right atmosphere. You have to have people on the team who reiterate the coaching staff's philosphy and breath life into the gameplan. That's J Kidd on the team. He's the most valuable player. The team sees his interactions and respects him as a player. His good habits are rubbing off on the right people.

I'm not trying to argue that Kidd is the best player on the team... that's an asinine statement and an overstatement. But let's not understate his value. He's clearly the most "valuable" on the squad. He's the glue holding up the stack of cards that is the Knicks.
Posted Monday December 17, 2012, About: Lin: 'I'm doing terrible'
And how out of shape was Felton last season?!?!

Let's keep things in perspective... the criticisms at the beginning of the year were warranted. We didn't know what we'd be getting with a returning Felton, so it looked like a downgrade. Thankfully he came back to the Garden with a chip on his shoulder and is playing lights out.
Posted Monday December 17, 2012, About: Lin: 'I'm doing terrible'
In all honesty... i hope Lin busts our @sh lol, just to make a point to Melo.
Posted Monday December 17, 2012, About: Lin: 'I'm doing terrible'
It wasn't a good call b/c Felton's a better player though.

It was a good call b/c they brought in somebody that Melo is willing to play with... to be frank. That's a smart move if you've decided to keep your all-star. But... it's a shame we don't have an all-star who's willing to play with anybody. It's a real shame.
Posted Monday December 17, 2012, About: Lin: 'I'm doing terrible'
This post is ****.


Jason Kidd is the MVP of the Knicks.. not MVP of the lead. There's a huge, obvious difference. Numbers don't say everything. This team is a better team b/c of Kidd's presence. They play differently, which is elevating everybody's game. Felton is of course more talented at this stage in his career than JKidd... that's obvious... but Kidd is the coach on the floor. He is hands down the most valuable person on that team, and it's obvious.

Your entire post is ****.

Furthermore... the Knicks are doing better with Felton over J.Lin for one reason...... they didn't respect Lin. None of the stars (Melo, Melo, Amare, and Melo) wanted to play with him. That doesn't make Felton better than Lin or vice versa. However... if they decided to respect Lin for 1, and secondly once he slowed down his game, learned to protect the ball and play at a pace (which Jason Kidd would've clearly helped him how to do)... then the sky would've been the limit for this team. I still feel Lin has a bigger upside than Felton... but you can't deny how well Felton is playing right now.

But.. think about Felton's motivation. His motivation isn't the love of the game... his motivation was "i'm not a downgrade to Lin... i'm an improvement". That's now exactly a winner mentality, just wanting to be better than the guy you replaced. You can see that by how out of shape he was last year. He's "winning"... but i question if he's a "winner".
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