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Good call, I was surprised that they totally ignored the LB position throughout the draft. I would have loved to have drafted Casey Matthews, he didn't go until 19th in the 4th round.

This draft has potential. All of their early picks could pan out and be what the coaches hope for, or.................maybe we just got a big handful of problem children. Taking a chance on this many bad seeds, at the same time, may not have been the best move. That potential I spoke of, could go either way!

Other than that, I think it was a spectacular draft.

LowCountry, looks like you have been dabbling in the koolaid, A triple espresso might help.

I'd love to see a few more hard hitters on the team, but it would be all for naught if the offense can't get out of the starting gate. We need "MULTIPLE" deep threats to spread the field and open it up for the running game.

Scratch the idea of deep threats, they are going with the dink and dunk of the west coast. But we definitely do need a couple sure handed receivers. I'm OK grabbing them through a trade and using the draft to get some fresh defensive talent. How did we pass on Clay Mathews Jr.???? What an irrational move that was.

I like this guy. Trading for a proven WR that has proven NFL performance is an excellent idea. The only problem I have is with Crabtree. He held out his rookie year until October 7, 2009. He has proven holdout performance, and as we know from Cribbs, being under contract doesn't mean squat.

Defense wins, but you can't rely on them to score all of your points too. The Browns need to get their offense scoring, and they need better players to do that.

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It sure sounds like you were complaining about a lack of comments after 12 minutes early in the morning while everybody lucky enough to have a job is at work, damn. Just yanking your chain, you are right, a lot of old names have moved on or just check in every few months.

I have been withholding comment until I knew more about Shurmur. I just watched the press conferences about the firing and hiring of the head coach at the Browns web site. I was not at all confident that hiring one of the bigger name coaches would have been the right fit with MH running things. I do think that the Shurmur hire will have everyone on the same page. I also like the fact that he looks at himself as a teacher.

There are quite a few variables that will play into how successful he will be as head coach of the Browns. NFL strike/lockout, how successful Heckert is acquiring the right players, and what assistant coaches / coordinators are hired or retained. Overall, I am confident that we are moving in the right direction quicker than we were with the last several hires.

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See above about finishing. Two WR's is better than one! ......and time to get off quality passes from a very protective O line is even better. Too many needs and not enough picks. Which brings us back to your first point, the Browns probably would be better off trading down and accumulating picks.

You have some very good arguments. What I want to know is what happened in the second half of the season. There is no excuse for loosing all of those games. What happened to all of the good blocking by the O line? How can an offensive game plan consist of how many trick plays will work today? The list of questionable coaching goes on and on (on both sides of the ball).

I feel that Mangini dropped the ball and he had to go. I just hope you are not right about what this could lead to.

Normally I get a little perturbed when the discussion on a thread strays so far from the intended subject, but you guys have shed some interesting light on how FN operates. Maybe it'll help keep us all out of hot water.

Did you see Mangini's face today? He knew it was his last game leading the Browns. If he doesn't get fired tomorrow, he will probably have a heart attack. I don't know if he is trying to retrain everybody or what, but whatever he is doing is not working. Get someone in here that can communicate with the players, but won't let them run all over him. Also get a couple experienced and proven coordinators in here that love to coach and are not looking for the quick step up to head coach.

I realize the thread is about the draft, but I think I got carried away and was addressing team needs in general. I really don't care where they get real "Talent", so long as they do. We need winners, not quitters. They came on like they were going to give the Steelers some competition today, but when they got slapped once or twice, they went into "just finish the game" mode.

I think the direction we go will depend a lot on what direction the new coach wants to go. I think Mangini will be gone primarily because he was unable to keep his players playing motivated football for the entire season.

Number one priority, get 2 receivers that can catch the ball, even if it is not put in their breadbasket.

Next, shore up the right side of the "O" line. The best"O" line makes the best RB's, and QB's. If Hillis has to keep making his own holes, he won't last another 1/2 season.

Our most glaring need on the "D" is the ability to stop the run. We were thoroughly embarrassed several times this season. I think most of this lies with the coach, not the players. I think Ryan is overrated.

While we are back on the subject of coaches, A real offensive coordinator would be nice to have next year, not some sandlot wannabe that relies on trick plays as his bread and butter.

I heard a comment on the radio today from someone who heard an eye witness to what had actually happened (I know, grain of salt, etc.). Supposedly there was a stumbling young drunk that was way past just being drunk that tripped on a curb and unintentionally fell on the 8 year old boy. The boys father gave him a piece of his mind, and amongst other things, said "I hope you didn't do that on purpose".

My understanding is that the boys mother was not there to witness what happened. Last Monday, I heard a letter red on the air that she had sent. This is when the venom started flying and everything getting distorted. You can't blame her for being upset and wanting to stand up for her child, but be truthful. Don't come down on the entire city and fan base, come down on the drunk that didn't know when he had had enough.

The bottom line, what kind of child abuse is it to allow an eight year old to go in a hostile environment of any NFL game wearing am opposing teams jersey and not at the very least, expect extreme verbal abuse. Really? Anywhere that alcohol is served is NOT a family friendly environment!

Here's me stirring the pot. Cribbs new nick-name "I got mine, now I can play Average"!

Kick returns, ranked 25th.
Punt returns, ranked 30th.
Receiving, ranked 123rd.
Rushing , ranked 93rd.

Next time, you sign a contract, live with it!

I got to agree with the Kid with a little Rodney Dangerfield thrown in. No respect!

I heard a quote from Rob Ryan this AM, he said over the last 12 games, we are 7 - 5. Obviously last year doesn't count, but it shows how he is looking at things.

OK, don't look at the fact we are talking about the Browns and where they are coming from, look at the fact that this season we have 152 points for and 156 points against. That is basically a 500 team. The last two teams we beat each have 6 wins. We play 3 more teams that currently have 6 wins. The remaining 5 teams are a combined 11-29 (.275 pct.). I think that 5 more wins is a very realistic expectation.

You are so right about the jump to the NFL.

As far as Colt McCoy goes, I disliked him the first time I saw him when he took over in Texas. He looked to boyish, to overrated, to hick, and had very big shoes to fill (Vince Young). I never dreamed he would end up in Cleveland. Well his time at Texas, he proved me wrong. I was the first to agree that he needed to spend a couple years on the bench as a pro to learn the system. It appears he only needed a few weeks and has proved me wrong again.

With what Colt has shown in college with the records he set, and how quick of a study he is in the NFL. With his maneuverability and his grasp of everything the game encompasses, he is not going to be just a good QB, he will be one of the great ones.