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Posted Tuesday November 10, 2009, About: Packers president won't interfere
What a sad lot of ingrate Packer fans! So, Favre changed his mind about retirement...big deal! Millions of Americans have done the same, and probably even some of you who act as if Favre's change of heart constitutes some sort of constitutional crisis. Favre is a decent, stand-up guy who represented your team well, and brought respectability back to Titletown after a two-decade absence. I see a lot of speculative nonsense being spewed in some of these posts as if it were fact, i.e. "...the Packers are better off without Favre," etc. Well, here is a fact for you; Favre's record over the last two seasons is 16-8. The Packers record over the last two seasons is 10-14, and that follows a 13-3 record in Favre's last season in Green Bay. Blow smoke about what you think is true all you want, but that record IS indisputable and it IS fact! In any event, judging by the classless reaction to Favre's return to Lambeau by most of Green Bay's faithful, you are getting exactly what you deserve; a return to irrelevancy!
Posted Wednesday October 28, 2009, About: Ex-Packers mad at Favre
Really? The '96 Packers were overrated? How can a Super Bowl champion be overrated? What more can a team do besides win the Super Bowl? In addition, the '96 Packer championship team also led the NFL in both offense and defense. The next season they steam-rolled through the NFC and came within seven points of beating a peaking Broncos team in the Super Bowl. I'd say overrated is more likely a team that was the pre-season favorite to win the Super Bowl, then finished third in their division.

Anyway, getting back to the article; Favre stated that talent-wise and physically, the '09 Vikings are superior to the '96 Packers, not that they are a better team. I'm sure that Favre would be the first to point out that there are a lot of factors that go into winning a championship and having the most talent isn't always one of them.
Posted Saturday May 16, 2009, About: Source: Favre revealed wishes to Goodell
"The Packers were great long before Brett..."

Can't argue with that. They were great, LONG before Favre arrived...about 25 years before he arrived. Guess you didn't mind the dismal seasons in between Lombardi and Favre. Afterall, the Pack did go to the playoffs a whopping two times during that period, if you count strike years. How soon they forget.
Posted Saturday May 16, 2009, About: Source: Favre revealed wishes to Goodell
This is the argument that I've gathered from some of the posts that I've read on this blog; the Jets win five more games after Favre arrives than they won the previous year and that's considered a failure. Meanwhile, the Packers lose seven more games last year than they won the previous year, when Favre quarterbacked them while finishing second in the MVP voting, but that's not considered a failure Huh? Don't any of you who are intent on bashing Favre realize that the obvious common thread between the Jets and Packers more successful seasons of the past two campaigns is Favre? And if you blame an ailing Favre for the Jets 1-4 finish last year, shouldn't you be consistent and also give him credit for their 8-3 start? Bottom line; the Packers and Jets combined for 22 wins and 10 losses with Favre over the past two years, 10 wins and 22 losses without him. Air your opinions all you want, but that fact is indisputable. If Favre is physically fit to play then I hope he returns, and I'm sure that virtually all of you who continue to criticize him for not retiring would do the same, if you had the prerequisite talent, desire and opportunity.
Posted Friday November 28, 2008, About: Packers want more from Grant
50yearfan wrote: "I do not think Favre would have any more wins with this team than Rodgers has produced. Just what I think. "
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Exactly; that is just what you think...a totally subjective opinion based on your own bias. I love how the Favre-bashers out there keep insisting that the Packers would not have any more wins if Favre was still the qb, despite the fact that they returned the same team virtually intact, with the exception of Favre, from last year's 13-3 version. In fact, the young Packers are older this year, which would logically imply that they should be improving and not regressing. Objective fact #1: last year's 13-3 Packers were quarterbacked by Favre, while this year's 5-6 Packers are not. Objective fact #2: last year's 4-12 Jets were not quarterbacked by Favre, while this year's 8-3 Jets are quarterbacked by Favre. One can draw their own conclusions, but to start throwing out subjective, unprovable arguments such as the 2008 Packers would be just as inept if Favre was still the starting quarterback is simply biased speculation.
Posted Tuesday October 21, 2008, About: Sakic ignores Avs critics
Interesting...three consecutive wins later and the self-annointed "experts" who littered this board with snap judgements based on a couple of games are suddenly silent. Is it possible that Sakic just might know a little more about hockey than they do? In any event, with the Avs potent offense all they need is average goal-tending to contend for a playoff spot.
Posted Monday October 06, 2008, About: Rodgers convinced Pack he could play
Just a year ago the Packers were blowing through the opposition on their way to 13 wins and a near-Super Bowl appearance. Now Packer nation seems content with the moral victory of nearly beating an also-ran team like Atlanta at home, while already matching the total number of losses that they had all of last year. For the cheeseheads and their management who turned on Favre merely because he changed his mind about retirement, before he had missed even a single game or day of training camp, HOF qb's do not come around very often and I have a feeling that the bleak 20 years of routine losing that haunted the Packers prior to Favre's arrival are about to be repeated.
Posted Wednesday October 01, 2008, About: Did Childress snub McCarthy?
Gotta love these old blogs that are now sooooo irrelevant. Congrats to the Packers management and fans on a stellar 2-2 record with the victories coming against opponents with a combined 1-6 record! At least you can take some comfort in the fact that the HOF qb that you trashed and jettisoned to the Jets is leading their resurgence while the Packers are rapidly regressing into the pre-Favre days when they routinely struggled just to avoid finishing last in their division.
Posted Friday August 08, 2008, About: Packers euphoric over Jets deal
Lost in all of the silliness of Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy forcing out perhaps the most-beloved icon that the storied Packers have ever had is this perplexing question: why in the world has Aaron Rodgers apparently been anointed starting quarterback-for-life? Isn't the NFL all about competition? Don't all players have to win jobs? Isn't that the primary purpose of training camp and the excruciatingly long pre-season? When Favre came to the Packers he wasn't automatically handed the starting job. In fact, he only got his chance to play when Don Majkowski went down with an injury and he kept the job by winning. And if a future HOF quarterback who's coming off of a stellar Pro Bowl season is told that he won't be the starter, why would any other quarterback with starting aspirations sign with the Packers while Rodgers is on the roster?

In any event, it appears that Thompson cut off his nose to spite his face and has stubbornly refused to field a team that consisted of the best possible quarterback available. It's my guess that the Packers won't come close to duplicating last season's 13-win season, while the Jets will show drastic improvement, and that the Thompson/McCarthy era in Green Bay will be relatively short-lived.
Posted Wednesday July 16, 2008, About: Favre slams Packers GM off air
Just two parting thoughts; When you get right down to it, although some posts seem to suggest that Favre has committed some sort of crime, all he's guilty of is changing his mind and wanting to continue to play football. Therefore, if I were Favre I would show up at Green Bay's training camp and simply agree to sit on the bench. Thompson may be vindictive, but he's not dumb. Even in today's NFL Favre is making some serious money and wasting that on someone who you've destined to sit all year is nonsensical. Moreover, Favre's friends on the team will undoubtedly rally behind him. And if Rodgers struggles, which is likely even if he doesn't have the presence of Favre watching over him from the bench, the entire situation becomes unbearable. So if Favre wants to play football, and Thompson continues to refuse that possibility, this is the strategy that I would advise Favre to employ. Sooner or later, and probably sooner, the Packers would either be forced to play him or trade him.

And finally, being a transplanted Packer fan in Colorado, this scenario has caused me to speculate on how differently the Broncos would have reacted if Elway would have had a change of heart and announced that he wanted to play again only a few months after announcing his retirement. Anyone who honestly believes that Mike Shanahan would have told Elway that the team had moved on and that Brian Griese was now the starter has never lived in Colorado. Undoubtedly, Elway would have been welcomed back with open arms and immediately named the starter, while Griese would have been relegated to backup. The difference between Denver and Green Bay? Bronco fans remember the pre-Elway years, while Green Bay fans seem to have largely forgotten what the pre-Favre era was like. And, of course, Bronco fans now have the hindsight to see that the post-Elway years haven't been too great, either.
Posted Wednesday July 16, 2008, About: Favre slams Packers GM off air
sarcasm and irony are wasted on the clueless.... again, never said Favre was a bad qb, didn't compare him to Tolliver, my point is and was that Favre is potentially a product of the system..... and the use of Tolliver was because he was ahead of Favre on the Falcon depth chart at the time of the trade....

MDM | 07/16/08, 06:01 PM
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Well, Jerry Glanville made up that depth chart so enough said.

In any event, we both seem entrenched in our respective views. But I honestly cannot understand why, since the Packers apparently believe that Favre is suddenly no longer good enough to start for them, they will not release him or trade him? And why would the Packer "fans" and management who vehemently oppose Favre's return even care if he leaves? If he truly is washed up, despite the season he produced last year, then Thompson should be jumping at the chance to send him to a division foe so they could face him twice, next season.

In any event, history dictates that the Packers are in for a rough period after Favre retires (see 1972-1992, following Starr's retirement), so Favre-bashing Packer fans might want to think twice about what they wish for.
Posted Wednesday July 16, 2008, About: Favre slams Packers GM off air
Wow, MDM, you're right! Thanks for pointing out how incredibly successful the Niners were with Garcia starting at qb, following Steve Young's retirement. And in much the same manner, the Bills, Dolphins and Broncos have enjoyed similar success since Kelly, Marino and Elway retired. I guess the qb doesn't make any difference afterall.

In Perspective | 07/16/08, 05:45 PM
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you're welcome.... and never said Favre wasn't a good qb, just don't think he is the second coming of Sammy Baugh is all...

MDM | 07/16/08, 05:49 PM
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Sorry, MDM, but guess you missed my point. My response was sarcastic...tongue firmly planted in cheek...Of course the qb makes the difference as evidenced by how the aforementioned franchises have floundered since losing their HOF qb's.
Posted Wednesday July 16, 2008, About: Favre slams Packers GM off air
didn't say that all WC offense teams are winners...but with the right pieces...Favre was a good fit for that system.... they might could have brought in Billy Joe Tolliver and had similar results... (obviously for not as long)

MDM | 07/16/08, 05:08 PM
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Sorry, MDM, but I can't take anyone seriously who compares Billy Joe Tolliver to Brett Favre. You may as well invoke the names of Randy Wright and David Whitehurst. Of course, since you regard Favre so lightly I would think that you would be begging the Packers to release him or trade him, even to a division foe. Afterall, if Favre is so incompetent as to be likened to Billy Joe Tolliver, I would think the Packers would love to face him twice next season.
Posted Wednesday July 16, 2008, About: Favre slams Packers GM off air
to go from Bill Walsh / George Seifert to Mike Nolan is not really the same philosophy.... and, though they may not have gone to SB, they went to the playoffs with the old philosophy with Jeff Garcia at QB....don't see him at Canton anytime soon, except for maybe visiting days....

MDM | 07/16/08, 05:10 PM
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Wow, MDM, you're right! Thanks for pointing out how incredibly successful the Niners were with Garcia starting at qb, following Steve Young's retirement. And in much the same manner, the Bills, Dolphins and Broncos have enjoyed similar success since Kelly, Marino and Elway retired. I guess the qb doesn't make any difference afterall.
Posted Wednesday July 16, 2008, About: Favre slams Packers GM off air
yeah, MDM, San Francisco has been really successful with that "common philosophy" since Steve Young retired. Give me a break.
Posted Wednesday July 16, 2008, About: Favre slams Packers GM off air
hey mdm, where is wolf now? Yet the Pack still made the championship game last year. The one common denominator between the Wolf years, the Sherman years and the Thompson years...FAVRE.

"Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
Posted Wednesday July 16, 2008, About: Favre slams Packers GM off air
It's amazing how blogs like this produce such insightful posts from Favre-bashers. I'm relieved to know that Favre should stay retired simply because his critics deem that he should. I would expect sports fans to bring more to the table than a personal dislike for Favre, but why let facts get in the way of a personal bias? And speaking of facts, here's some for you Favre-haters to digest: In the twenty years between Bart Starr's retirement and Brett Favre's arrival, the Packers made a total of two playoff appearances with no playoff wins. For those of you who believe that the Packers will pick up right where they left off with the unproven Rodgers starting instead of a future HOF qb coming off of a stellar Pro Bowl season, you'd be well-advised to note that history dictates that Rodgers is much more likely to become the next David Whitehurst rather than having a career with even a fraction of the success that Favre has enjoyed. And one final thought; I wonder how many of the sanctimonious "fans" who object to Favre's change of heart regarding retirement would want to similarly be prevented from returning to resume a career that they once retired from? Exactly!
Posted Saturday July 12, 2008, About: Sources: Favre reneged on return deal
Luvdatdurdywatta:

First of all, I don't worship Favre. I simply pointed out that Favre has a right to change his mind regarding retirement and that he's the best option at quarterback for the Packers.

Secondly, your assertion that a three-time MVP and the career leader of virtually every significant NFL passing statistic is not even among the top 10 or 15 all-time best quarterbacks speaks for itself regarding your judgement and credibility.

Finally, since you want to lay all of the blame for the Packers failure to reach the Super Bowl on Favre then it would also seem fair to give him the credit for getting the NFL's youngest team into the NFC championship game to begin with.

And perhaps you'd like to back up your smack talk by wagering some money that the Packers will have a better season this year with Rodgers starting at quarterback than they had last year with Favre starting? Yeah, didn't think so.
Posted Saturday July 12, 2008, About: Sources: Favre reneged on return deal
So Favre changed his mind. BIG DEAL! This is still America, isn't it? Don't we all have the right to pursue our dreams and whatever employment we desire so long as it's not illegal? Judging by the ill-conceived logic of some of these posts one would think that he had committed some sort of crime. Well here's my take on the situation: Thompson and McCarthy are cutting off their noses to spite their face. If they really believe that Favre is inferior to Rodgers then why are they so afraid to simply release him? And if they believe the obvious, that Favre is still the better qb, but they still refuse to allow him to start due to their own pride, then they are doing Packer fans a huge injustice. Here's one Packer fan who believes that the Thompson/McCarthy regime will be short-lived and that most Packer fans will forever condemn the decision to not allow one of the best qb's the NFL has ever produced a shot at guiding a team that was only three points away from a Super Bowl appearance.
Posted Monday February 04, 2008, About: Goodell may reopen Spygate
KPKahder-ts NY,18-1 -Congrats NY, it's been interesting, but that's more than enough time devoted to this subject. Nothing against Pats fans, but as I originally stated, this Patriots regime will always be associated with Spygate. Regardless, hats off to the Patriots for going undefeated during the regular season. But more kudos to the Giants for winning in Dallas and Green Bay, and then pulling off perhaps the biggest upset in Super Bowl history. And while I admire your passion for your team, bear in mind that it's still only a game.
Posted Monday February 04, 2008, About: Goodell may reopen Spygate
KPKahder-ts NY,18-1 -Congrats NY, as for your accusations against the Packers, I would ask that you offer some proof of that, other than simply insisting that it's so. An internet search turned up nothing regarding the Packers being caught videotaping another team's sideline. Moreover, even if you are correct, an accusation from another team is far different from actual evidence or an admission, both of which the NFL obrained in Spygate. Moreover, it seems like an accusation of this nature against the Packers would be widely broadcast and constantly rehashed by Patriots fans in defense of Belichick's behavior. And as already stated, if Belichick was warned about violating this rule prior to the Jets game (which you admit), and he still proceeded to deliberately thumb his nose at the NFL and cheat anyway, then he demonstrated an incredible amount of arrogance and deserves the flak which he's received.

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